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Title: The search for a proper definition of Piety or Holiness


1
Euthyphro
  • The search for a proper definition of Piety or
    Holiness

2
Preamble
  • Setting Steps of the King Archons court.
  • Socrates being charged with impiety, and the
    dialogue is about the meaning of piety.
  • Euthyphro is there to charge his father with
    murder (which many think is impious).
  • Socratic irony I realize that as well as you
    do, my dear friend, and thats why I am eager to
    become your student. I know that this Meletus
    pretends not to notice you at all, whereas he has
    seen me so sharply and so easily that he has
    indicted me for impiety (5c)
  • Vainglory the conceit of wisdom.

3
Definition 1
  • Whats pious is precisely what Im doing now
    prosecuting those who commit an injustice, such
    as murder or temple robbery, or those whove done
    some other such wrong, regardless of whether
    theyre ones father or ones mother or anyone
    else whatever. Not prosecuting them, on the other
    hand, is whats impious (5d-e).
  • Evidence The gods treatment of their fathers.
  • Problem Its not a real definition. (Its an
    ostensive definition.) Socrates wants the
    delineation of a characteristic that can be used
    to pick out any instance of impiety, not just
    this one. (6d-e)

4
Definition 2
  • Whats loved by the gods is pious, and whats
    not loved by the gods is impious (7a).
  • Response The gods quarrel and differ with each
    other (7b).
  • Some disputes e.g., those over empirical and
    mathematical properties can be settled by the
    facts or concepts of the matter.
  • Other disputes such as those about justice,
    goodness (i.e., value issues) cant be so
    settled.
  • When the gods disagree about what cant easily be
    settled, then the same thing is both pious and
    impious, and this definition fails (8a).

5
Definition 3
  • What all the gods love is pious what all the
    gods hate, is impious (9d)
  • The Euthyphro question
  • Is the pious loved by the gods because its
    pious. Or is it pious because its loved (10a)?
  • I.e., what is the cause here, and what is the
    effect? Socrates answers by saying that the act
    of loving must precede (or cause) the state of
    being loved. Its not because its a loved thing
    a state that its loved by those who love it
    rather its because its loved an act that its
    a loved thing (10c).

6
Definition 3 contd
  • Euthyphro then attempts to say that an action is
    loved by the gods because it is pious, rather
    than the other way around. But his choice implies
    that the state of being loved precedes the act of
    loving, which contradicts the agreed upon premise
    that the act must precede the state.
  • Piety and what all the gods love are not the
    same. Essence vs. mere attribute or property
  • Presumably, there are other things loved by the
    gods besides piety justice, for example so
    being loved does not differentiate a concept like
    piety from a concept like justice. Both piety and
    justice share the property of being loved, but
    Socrates is searching for the thing that makes
    piety the thing that it is and nothing else. If
    other things besides piety are loved by the gods,
    then being loved cant be the essential property
    of piety. 

7
Definition 3 contd
  • Euthyphro now stumped I have no way of telling
    you what I have in mind. For whatever proposals
    we put forward keep somehow moving around and
    they wont stay put (11b)
  • Aporia or befuddlement Socrates interlocutors
    often say they have been stung by a stingray from
    their slumbers.
  • Aporia is the start of true philosophical
    exploration, according to Socrates, since you
    wont look for that which you think you already
    know.

8
Prelude to Definition 4 genus-species defs
  • Socrates suggests that piety is a part of
    justice the pious as a whole must be just
    (11e).
  • Genus species definition. Isolate a large group
    (genus) to which something (a species) belongs
    (similarity) and then note as well how the
    species differs from the genus. E.g., Aristotle's
    definition of the species humans The animal
    (genus) that thinks (differentia). S. discusses
    this _at_ 12 b-c.
  • What, then, is the differentia of piety (amongst
    the genus, just things)?

9
Definition 4 contd
  • Piety is the part of the just .. that is
    concerned with tending to the gods (The other
    part of justice attends to humans) (12e).
  • Question What do we mean by tending to the
    gods? In other cases, tending to x always
    benefits x (dog and horse trainers). But surely
    we dont improve the gods by tending to them.
  • It is rather, Euthyphro says, like the tending of
    a slave to a master (13d). But what is the end of
    this? I.e., what do the gods get from our
    attendance?

10
Definition 5
  • Piety is some sort of knowledge of sacrificing
    and praying, where sacrificing is giving to
    the gods, and praying is asking from them (14b).
  • Piety, then, is an expertise in mutual trading
    between gods and men (14e).
  • But while its clear that we benefit from the
    gods, what benefits can we give them?
  • Honor and reverence i.e., whats pleasing to
    them (15b).
  • But then we are back to the definition that piety
    is what is pleasing to the gods, which has
    already been defeated.
  • Aporia.
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