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Reply to the initial set of comment and questions
  • Thanks to all reviewers for your attention and
    for your thoughtful and penetrating comments and
    questions. We find them extremely helpful.
  • Some of the questions relate to issues already
    studied or discussed and we wish to share our
    thoughts on them, others
  • Many of the issues raised, as well as lot of
    others, are addressed in FLARE notes
    http//www-off-axis.fnal.gov/notes/notes.html.
    See in particular materials from the FLARE
    workshop, November 2004.

2
Thermodynamics of the large argon tank
  • Axi-symmetric model using ANSYS (Z. Tang. FLARE
    note 31)

Liquid flow
Temperature gradient Note full scale 0.113oC
3
Will argon freeze at the bottom of the tank due
to 5 atm pressure?
  • No
  • "Thermophysical Properties of fluids. Argon,
    ethylene, parahydrogen, nitrogen, nitrogen
    trifluoride and oxygen", in the Journal of
    Physical and Chemical Reference Data, Volume 11,
    1982, Supplement No. 1.
  • R. Schmitt freezing temperature at the
    pressure at the tank bottom is 83.91oK. Actual
    temperature is 87.3oK (FLARE note 31).

4
Argon receiving, quality control, purification
systems
  • Critical set of issues, clearly. More work needed
    to have them under full control, clearly. Design
    and specification process has started ( FLARE
    notes 24,26,27,29)
  • Experimental effort on proving validity of the
    underlying assumptions (purification power of
    commercial filters, effect of impurities on the
    electron lifetime, composition of impurities,
    out-gassing rates, time dependence) underway (PAB
    setup, Lab 3)

5
Initial purification system
  • Design throughput 200 t/day
  • Oxygen load _at_1ppm delivered argon purity 200
    g/day. May be more. Probably will be less..
  • 24/7 operation for 9 month

6
Main tank28 t/hour re-circulation and
purification system
  • Phase I initial purge 100-200 tons of LAr ( 2
    weeks) (vessel not evacuated)
  • Very rapid volume exchange (several hours) gt
    rapid purification
  • Main issue very large oxygen capacity required
  • Milestone achieve gt10 ms lifetime
    before continuing the fill process
  • Phase II filling
  • Purity level determined by balance of the
    filtering vs. impurities introduced with the new
    argon
  • Phase III operation
  • Low rate of volume exchange (74 days)
  • Removal (mainly) of the impurities introduced
    with argon
  • Balance between purification and out-gassing
  • In this phase out-gassing of tank walls, cables
    and other materials becomes a visible factor,
    although still very small.
  • Tank walls, materials, cables must not
    contain quantities of slowly out-gassing
    contaminants way beyond expectations.

7
Wasnt electron lifetime of ICARUS T600 limited
by cables outgassing ??
  • And doesnt this indicate that cables, walls,
    etc.. may be a limiting factor for a very large
    detector ???
  • Not necessarily. Probably not. Observe rate of
    lifetime improvement in ICARUS doubles at 40
    days, compared to 20 days (outgassing 1/t)

8
Signal size vs. drift distance vs. purity
  • ICARUS signal 15,000 el, S/N6
  • FLARE design signal 22,500 el, S/N8. Required
    purity 3x10-11 (oxygen equivalent)
  • Significant margin. 2 m drift distance does not
    offer major improvement

Noise level
9
Additional tank for repairs ?
  • What if argon in the main tank gets poisoned?
  • Install more purification units. Piping must be
    sized to allow for that
  • Once the tank is filled with Liquid Argon there
    is no practical possibility of repairs of any
    failed equipment inside. Frequent suggestion
    build another tank to enable transfer of LAr,
    access and repair.
  • It is an interesting suggestion requiring
    detailed risk and cost-benefits analysis.
  • Design goal minimize the probability of a
    requirement for access
  • Minimize the number of components inside the tank
  • Robust, failure proof components and construction
    techniques
  • In-situ testing to make failures very improbable
  • Minimize the impact of an improbable failure(s)
    a nuisance rather than a disaster (example
    broken wire)
  • Likely outcome all of the above notwithstanding
    some committee will insist on it. Observation
    spare tank must match the size of the main
    detector tank.

10
Rightsizing of the tank (experiment?)
  • ICARUS is building 1200 t detector. A leap to
    50,000 tons is too ambitious.
  • One monolithic (sort of) detector is too risky.
    Minimize the risk of unforeseen failures by
    having several smaller detectors
  • You have to build prototypes to learn how to
    build such a detector. They must be relevant to
    the ultimate detector construction.
  • How does the detector cost scale with size? What
    are the cost drivers? Constant costs vs.
    volume-related.
  • A lot of wisdom and practical experience
    speaking..

11
Rightsizing of the experiment
  • Technical solutions and construction techniques
    are likely to similar for tanks above 10 kton.
    Linear dimensions scale with cube root of the
    volume (1.7 for 10/50 kton case).
  • Most of the site-related, argon receiving and
    purification costs are almost independent of the
    size. We are in process of understanding the
    costs of smaller detectors.
  • Scenario I build four tanks (15 kton each), use
    one as a holding tank.
  • Scenario II
  • Begin with 15 kton tank as a Phase I of an
    off-axis experiment.
  • Demonstrate the construction, purification,
    performance. Determine the running conditions on
    the surface and measure potential backgrounds for
    proton decay and supernova detection.
  • Depending on the experience, proceed with Phase
    II by building more of 15 kton detectors or jump
    into 50 kton tank
  • Reduce the initial risk and provide clear path
    towards the ultimate program of studies of
    neutrino oscillations
  • Physics potential of the Phase I is at least
    comparable to all other putative experiments

12
Efficiency/background rejection
  • What is it? How is it determined? How sure are
    you?
  • Why is it so much better than OOPS (Other Options
    Perceived to be Simpler)?
  • Are you planning to scan all events in the
    experiment?
  • Can you fish out events out of the ocean of
    cosmic ray-induced stuff?
  • When will you have fully automatic reconstruction
    program ?

13
ne Appearance Experiment, A Primer
  • At an off-axis position in the nominal NUMI beam,
    if no oscillations
  • 100 ev/kton/year of nm CC events
  • 30 ev/kton/year of NC events
  • 0.5 ev/kton/year of ne CC events
  • All of the above for neutrinos with energy 1.5,
    3 GeV
  • For CC events the observed energy is that of the
    interacting neutrino (DE/E 10) .
  • For NC events the observed energy of only 1/6
    of events falls into the signal region.
    Troublesome sample of NC events is thus 5
    ev/kton/year
  • Turn on oscillations sample of nm CC events is
    reduced from 100 to 10. The nt resulting from
    oscillations do not CC interact (below
    threshold). Some of the nm CC events may show up
    as ne CC events - signal.
  • Physics potential of an experiment depends on the
    number of identified signal ne CC events.

14
Experimental Challenge
  • Maximize Mxe
  • Where
  • M detector mass
  • e efficiency for identification of ne CC events
  • While maintaining hgt20/ e (to ensure NC bckg lt
    0.5 ne CC bckg)
  • Where h is the rejection factor for NC events
    with observed energy in the signal region
  • Why is it hard to achieve high e
  • Y-distribution electron energies ranging from 0
    to En
  • Low(er) electron energies emitted at large angles
  • Why is it hard to achieve high h
  • p0s produced in the hadronic shower, early
    conversions and/or overlap with charged hadrons
  • Coherent p0 production

15
Tools
  • Neutrino event generator NEUGEN3. Derived from
    Soudan 2 event generator. Used by MINOS
    collaboration. Hugh Gallagher (Tufts) is the
    principal author.
  • GEANT 3 detector simulation trace resulting
    particles through a homogeneous volume of liquid
    argon. Store energy deposits in thin slices.
  • LAIR (Liquid Argon Interactive Reconstruction),
    derived from MAW (Robert Hatcher), derived from
    PAW.
  • Project energy depositions onto the wire planes
  • Bin the collected charge according to the
    integration time
  • Ignore (for now) edge effects, assume signals
    well above the electronics noise
  • Assume two track resolution (2 ms)
  • Event display (2D, 3 projections)
  • Interactive vertex reconstruction
  • Interactive track/conversions reconstruction
  • 3D event display (J. Kallenbach). Early stages of
    development.
  • Prototypes of automatic event classification
    software

16
Early results (MSU, C. Bromberg)
  • Algorithm for electron ID
  • Charged track originating at the vertex and
    developing into EM shower (at least 3 consecutive
    hits with more that 1.5 MIP of ionization)
  • EM shower starting no earlier than 1.5 cm from
    the vertex
  • Less than 4 photon conversions in the event
  • Fine longitudinal and transverse granularity of
    the detector of critical importance.
  • And the answer is
  • e 82-6 (41 events out of 50
    events accepted)
  • h gt 15 (66 C.L.) (35 events out of 35
    rejected)
  • Work in progress. Quite some fun. Come and join,
    room for major contributions

17
(Double?) Blind Scan Analysis at Tufts
  • A random collection of signal and backgrounds
    events scanned by undergraduate students trained
    to recognize electron neutrino interactions
    (assign likelihood from 1 to 5)
  • Sample of electron candidates) (score gt 3)
    scanned by experts-physicists (still flying
    blind)
  • Several examples of events identifiable
    (according to scanners) thanks to superior
    granularity and resolution of the detector

18
It is important to have a good detector
  • High-y, low energy (170 MeV) electron easily
    recognized by all scanners
  • ? Key to achieving high signal efficiency

19
It is important to have a good detector
  • Coherent p0 production
  • Easily recognized as a conversion
  • A key to keeping background low

20
And the bottom line is
  • ne identification efficiency, e76-11 (13 out
    of 17)
  • NC rejection factor, h53 (3 out of 159)
  • No nm CC backgruond (0 out od 17)
  • It was the first try. More scanning underway.
    Improvements expected.
  • Automated analysis software under construction.
  • WARNING possibly addictive.
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