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Title: The Godhead Vs Fraud-head part 1 (Historical overview)


1
The Godhead Vs Fraud-head part 1 (Historical
overview)
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SDA CHURCH RAISED UP TO PREACH THE 3 AS
MESSAGES
  • In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have
    been set in the world as watchmen and light
    bearers.
  • To them has been
  • entrusted the last warning
  • for a perishing world.
  • Testimonies, Vol.9, 19.

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SDA CHURCH RAISED UP TO PREACH THE 3 AS
MESSAGES
  • They have been given a work
  • of the most solemn importthe proclamation of the
    first, second, and third angels' messages.
  • There is no other work of
  • so great importance.
  • They are to allow nothing else
  • to absorb their attention.
  • Testimonies, Vol.9, 19.

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Who is God?
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Warning!!
  • The highest intellect may tax itself until it is
    wearied out on conjectures regarding the nature
    of God, but the effort will be fruitless. This
    problem has not been given us to solve. No human
    mind can comprehend God. None are to indulge in
    speculation regarding His nature.
  • E. G. White, The Ministry of Healing (Mountain
    View, Cal. Pacific Press Publishing Association,
    1905), p. 429.

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Genesis 126
  • And God said,
  • Let us make man
  • in our image,
  • after our likeness.

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How many gods?
  • Deuteronomy 64 Hear, O Israel The LORD our God
    is one LORD

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The Godhead
  • Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God,
    we ought not to think that the Godhead is like
    unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and
    mans device. Acts 1729

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What is Godhead?
  • 1. Godship deity divinity divine nature or
    essence applied to the true God, and to heathen
    deities.
  • 2. A deity in person a god or goddess.
  • Websters 1828 dictionary

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Is God one person, with rigid singularity
speaking in plurality of Majesty OR are there
more than one person within the concept of God?
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Historical Overview Godhead issues, Christ Deity
and Holy Spirit
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William Miller
  • "I believe in one living and true God, and that
    there are three persons in the Godheadas there
    is in man, the body, soul, and spirit. And if any
    one will tell me how these exist, I will tell him
    how the three persons of the Triune God are
    connected. James White, Sketches of the
    Christian Life and Public Labors of William
    Miller (Battle Creek, Mich. Steam Press of the
    Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association,
    1875), p. 59.

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J. M. Stephenson Adventist Pioneer
  • The idea of the Father and Son supposes priority
    of the existence of the one, and the subsequent
    existence of the other. To say that the Son is as
    old as the Father, is a palpable contradiction of
    terms. It is a natural impossibility for the
    Father to be as young as the Son, or the Son to
    be as old as the Father. J. M. Stephenson, "The
    Atonement," Review and Herald, VI (November 14,
    1854), 128.

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Stephenson continues
  • Only the Father is, in the absolute sense,
    immortal. Only the Father is self-existent. The
    Son is therefore dependent on the Father for the
    Father gave "the Son to have life in himself.J.
    M. Stephenson, "The Atonement," Review and
    Herald, VI (November 14, 1854), 131.

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James White
  • In 1846 James White dismissed the doctrine of the
    Trinity as "the old unscriptural trinitarian
    creed."
  • James White, Day-Star, January 24, 1846, 25.

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James White, Review Herald, Sept. 12, 1854.
  • As fundamental errors,
  • we might class with this
  • counterfeit Sabbath other
  • errors which Protestants have brought away from
    the Catholic Church,
  • such as sprinkling for baptism,
  • the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and
    eternal life in misery.

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D. W Hull Adventist pioneer
  • The doctrine which we propose to examine, was
    established by the Council of Nice sic, A.D.
    325, and ever since that period, persons not
    believing this particular tenet, have been
    denounced by popes and priests, as dangerous
    heretics. It was for disbelief in this doctrine,
    that the Arians were anathematized in A.D. 513.

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  • As we can trace this doctrine not farther back
    than the origin of the "man of sin" and as we
    find this dogma at that time established rather
    by force, than otherwise, we claim the right to
    investigate the matter, and ascertain the bearing
    of Scripture on this subject "we dont believe,
    as the m. e. church discipline teaches, that
    Christ IS the very and eternal God at the same
    time, very man that the human part was the Son,
    and the divine part was the Father.

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  • "The orthodox view of God" that he is "without
    body, parts, passions, centre, circumference, or
    locality. "it certainly appears that such a
    God as this, must be entirely devoid of an
    existence."
  • D. W. Hull, "Bible Doctrine of Divinity," Review
    and Herald (November 10, 1859), 93..

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God of the Orthodox-Creed
  • There is but one living and true God,
    everlasting, without body or parts, of infinite
    power, wisdom, and goodness the maker and
    preserver of all things, both visible and
    invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there are
    three persons, of one substance, power, and
    eternity-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
  • -- United Methodist Church

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Joseph Bates Adventist pioneer
  • "If you can convince me that we are one in this
    sense, that you are my father, and I your son
    and also that I am your father, and you my son,
    then I can believe in the trinity.
  • Joseph Bates, The Autobiography of Elder Joseph
    Bates (Battle Creek, MI SDA Publishing, 1868),
    205.

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Uriah Smith
  • Q "is the Holy Spirit a person?
  • A But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses
    expressions which cannot be harmonized with the
    idea that it is a person like the Father and the
    Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence
    from them both, the medium which represents their
    presence and by which they have knowledge ad
    power through all the universe, when not
    personally present Uriah Smith, In the
    Question Chair, Review and Herald, LXVII
    (October 28, 1890), 664.

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  • God alone is without beginning. At the earliest
    epoch when a beginning could be,--a period so
    remote that to finite minds it is essentially
    eternity,--appeared the WordThis uncreated Word
    was the Being, who, in the fullness of time was
    made flesh, and dwelt among us. His beginning was
    not like that of any other being in the universe.
    . .  .  Thus it appears that by some divine
    impulse or process, not creation, known only to
    Omniscience, and possibly only to Omnipotence,
    the Son of God appeared Uriah Smith, Looking
    Unto Jesus, (Battle Creek, Mich. Review and
    Herald Publishing Company, 1898), p. 10.

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J. N. Loughborough
  • What serious objection is there to the doctrine
    of the trinity?
  • There are many objections which we might urge,
    but on account of our limited space we shall
    reduce them to the following 1. It is contrary
    to common sense. 2. It is contrary to Scripture.
    3. Its origin is Pagan and fabulous if Father,
    Son, and Holy Ghost are each God, it would be
    THREE GODS. J. N. Loughborough, "Questions for
    Bro. Loughborough," Review and Herald, XVIII
    (November 5, 1861), 184.

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J. H. Waggoner
  • "surely, we say right, that the doctrine of a
    trinity degrades the atonement, by bringing this
    sacrifice, the blood of our purchase, down to the
    standard of socinianism "here is a plain
    declaration that the ever-living, self-existent
    god died for sinners, which we cannot believe
    J. H. Waggoner, The Atonement (Oakland, Cal.
    Pacific Press, 1884), p. 174-176.

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T. R Williamson
  • It was said by the Lord Jesus, "I and my Father
    are one." If there are three persons in the
    Godhead, why did he not include all three in one?
    Why did he only say, "I and my Father are one,"
    if the Holy Spirit is a member of the Godhead,
    one with the Father and Son? Why this ignoring of
    the third person of the Trinity? T. R.
    Williamson, "The Holy SpiritIs It a Person?"
    Review and Herald, LXVIII (October 13, 1891),
    627.

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Spears trinitarian article
  • This doctrine, as held and stated by those who
    adopt it, is not a system of tri-theism, or the
    doctrine of three Gods, but it is the doctrine of
    one God subsisting and acting in three persons,
    with the qualification that the term "person",
    though perhaps the best that can be used, is not,
    when used in this relation, to be understood in
    any sense that would make it inconsistent with
    the unity of the Godhead, and hence not to be
    understood in the ordinary sense when applied to
    man

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  • The theory of the eternal generation of the Son
    by the Father, with the cognate theory of the
    eternal generation of the Holy Ghost from the
    Father, or from the Father and the Son, while
    difficult even to apprehend, and while at best
    but a mystical speculation, is an effort to be
    wise, not only above what is written, but also
    beyond the possibilities of human knowledge.
  • Samuel T. Spear, The Bible Doctrine of the
    Trinity," The Bible Students Library, No. 90,
    (March, 1892), 3-14. (Reprint from New York
    Independent, November 14, 1889).

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D. T. Bourdeau,
  • "Although we claim to be believers in, and
    worshipers of, only one God, I have thought that
    there are as many gods among us as there are
    conceptions of the Deity D. T. Bourdeau, "We
    May Partake of the Fullness of the Father and the
    Son," Review and Herald, Nov 18, 1890, 707.

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Reasons for Rejecting Trinity
  • A trinitarian view with eternal Father and son.
    Father and son cannot be EQUAL in terms of
    time-naturally speaking
  • The trinitarian creed enforced by Rome in 325AD
    was unscriptural and of pagan origin
  • The Father and Son cannot be the same person
  • A trinitarian view of a God without body or
    parts could not be true

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  • A trinitarian view that made the Holy Spirit a
    person could not be true
  • A trinitarian that makes Jesus without beginning,
    self-existent and God in verity
  • A trinitarian view with three divine persons
    results to three gods
  • A trinitarian view with Christ as self-existent
    Son undermines the atonement. A Human sacrifice
    isn't enough
  • Holy Spirit was never included in the expression
    I and my Father are one hence not the Spirit is
    not a thirdperson of the Godhead

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What were some of the positions held?
  • Only the Father is self-existent
  • Christ did not exist at some point- He appeared
    (begotten) through a process incomprehensible
  • Father and Son have body and parts
  • Holy Spirit is not a person as Father and Son
  • There are three persons in the Godhead, but one
    God, not three gods
  • Christ derived His life from the Father hence His
    atonement could be sufficient
  • The Holy Spirit is not a thirdperson of the
    trinity/Godhead

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Ellen White Counsel
  • Publish the truth, do not publish error. Do not
    try to explain in regard to the personality of
    God. You cannot give any further explanation than
    the Bible has given. Human theories regarding Him
    are good for nothing. Do not soil your minds by
    studying misleading theories of the enemy.
  • E. G. White, Counsels to Writers and Editors
    (Nashville, Tennessee Southern Publishing
    Association, 1946), pp.93, 94. Citing Letter 179,
    1904.

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Statement of Beliefs1872
  • That there is one God,
  • a personal, spiritual Being,
  • the Creator of all things, omnipotent,
    omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom,
    holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy,
    unchangeable, and
  • everywhere present by
  • His representative, the Holy Spirit.
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