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1
Bob Stewart, NOBTS
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Introducing the New Atheism
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Their Core Beliefs
  • Science and Religion are mutually exclusive ways
    of looking at life. In short, Religion and
    Science are at war.

5
Richard Dawkins
  • An atheist before Darwin could have said,
    following Hume I have no explanation for
    complex biological design. All I know is that God
    isnt a good explanation, so we must wait and
    hope that somebody comes up with a better one. I
    can't help feeling that such a position,

6
Richard Dawkins
  • though logically sound, would have left one
    feeling pretty unsatisfied, and that although
    atheism might have been logically tenable before
    Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an
    intellectually fulfilled atheist.
  • The Blind Watchmaker, 6

7
Daniel Dennett
  • Almost no one is indifferent to Darwin, and no
    one should be. The Darwinian theory is a
    scientific theory, and a great one, but that is
    not all it is. The creationists who oppose it so
    bitterly are right about one thing Darwins
    dangerous idea cuts much deeper into the fabric
    of our most fundamental beliefs than many of its
    sophisticated apologists have yet admitted, even
    to themselves.
  • Darwins Dangerous Idea, 18

8
Atheistic Shrillness
  • It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet
    somebody who claims not to believe in evolution,
    that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or
    wicked, but Id rather not consider that).
  • Review of Blueprints Solving the Mystery of
    Evolution, Maitland A. Edey and Donald C.
    Johanson, New York Times Review of Books 9 April
    1989, 35

9
Their Core Beliefs
  • Science and religion are mutually exclusive ways
    of looking at life. In short, Religion and
    Science are at war.
  • Faith is a superstitious blind leap based on
    the denial of evidence.

10
Faith as Superstition
  • Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
    evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
    Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because
    of, the lack of evidence.

11
Sam Harris
  • Some propositions are so dangerous that it may
    even be ethical to kill people for believing
    them.
  • The End of Faith Religion, Terror, and the
    Future of Reason, 52-53.

12
Their Core Beliefs
  • Science and religion are mutually exclusive ways
    of looking at life. In short, Religion and
    Science are at war.
  • Faith is a superstitious blind leap based on
    the denial of evidence.
  • Religion is inherently evil.

13
Nobel Prize Winner Steven Weinberg
  • With or without religion, you would have good
    people doing good things and evil people doing
    evil things. But for good people to do evil
    things, that takes religion.
  • The New York Times, April 20, 1999

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Christopher Hitchens
  • Organized religion is violent, irrational,
    intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and
    bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to
    free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive
    toward children.
  • God is Not Great, 56

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Richard Dawkins
  • Revealed faith is not harmless nonsense, it can
    be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous because
    it gives people unshakeable confidence in their
    own righteousness. Dangerous because it gives
    them false courage to kill themselves, which
    automatically removes normal barriers to killing

16
Richard Dawkins
  • others. . . . And dangerous because we have all
    bought into a weird respect, which uniquely
    protects religion from normal criticism. Lets
    now stop being so damned respectful.
  • Has the World Changed?Part Two, The
    Guardian, October 11, 2001

17
Their Characteristic Practices
  • They have a superficial knowledge of the Bible

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Their Characteristic Practices
  • They have a superficial knowledge of the Bible
  • They are theological novices

19
Terry Eagleton
  • Dawkins speaks scoffingly of a personal God, as
    though it were entirely obvious exactly what this
    might mean. He seems to imagine God, if not
    exactly with a white beard, then at least as some
    kind of chap, however supersized. He asks how
    this chap can speak to billions of people
    simultaneously, which is rather like wondering
    why, if Tony

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Terry Eagleton
  • Blair is an octopus, he has only two arms. For
    Judeo-Christianity, God is not a person in the
    sense that Al Gore arguably is. Nor is he a
    principle, an entity, or existent in one sense
    of that word it would be perfectly coherent for
    religious types to claim that God does not in
    fact exist. He is, rather, the condition of
    possibility of any

21
Terry Eagleton
  • entity whatsoever, including ourselves. He is
    the answer to why there is something rather than
    nothing. God and the universe do not add up to
    two, any more than my envy and my left foot
    constitute a pair of objects.
  • Lunging, Flailing, Mispunching London
    Review of Books, http//www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n20/eagl
    01_.html

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Terry Eagleton
  • All I can claim in this respect, alas, is that
    I think I may know just about enough theology to
    be able to spot when someone like Richard Dawkins
    or Christopher Hitchensa couplet I shall
    henceforth reduce for convenience to the solitary
    signifier Ditchkinsis talking out of the back of
    his neck.
  • 2008 Yale University Terry Lecture

23
Their Characteristic Practices
  • They have a superficial knowledge of the Bible
  • They are theological novices
  • They are primarily anti-Christian and anti-Muslim

24
Their Characteristic Practices
  • They have a superficial knowledge of the Bible
  • They are theological novices
  • They are primarily anti-Christian and anti-Muslim
  • They are materialists

25
Naturalism, Atheism, Materialism
  • Naturalists can affirm the reality of abstract
    entities such as numbers or minds but these
    things exist naturally, not supernaturally
  • Materialists can affirm the existence of God
    (Mormons are materialists)

26
Naturalism, Atheism, Materialism
  • Atheists can be religious (most forms of Buddhism
    are atheistic)
  • The New Atheists are all threenaturalists,
    materialists, and atheists

27
Does Science(or Darwin)Disprove God?
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Believing Scientists
  • Nicholas Copernicus, Heliocentric Solar System
  • Galileo, Observational Astronomy, Kinematics
  • Johannes Kepler, Laws of Planetary Motion
  • Isaac Newton, Laws of Motion
  • Joseph Lister, Antiseptic surgery
  • Louis Pasteur, Bacteriology
  • Robert Boyle, Chemistry and Gas Dynamics
  • Georges Cuvier, Comparative Anatomy
  • Charles Babbage, Computer Science
  • Lord Rayleigh, Dimensional Analysis
  • John Ambrose Fleming, Electronics
  • James Clerk Maxwell, Electrodynamics
  • Michael Faraday, Electromagnetics and Field
    Theory
  • Lord Kelvin, Energetics
  • Henri Fabre, Entomology of Living Insects
  • George Stokes, Fluid Mechanics
  • Sir William Herschel, Galactic Astronomy
  • Gregor Mendel, Genetics
  • Matthew Maury, Oceanography

29
Agnostic Stephen Jay Gould
  • To say it for all my colleagues and for the
    umpteenth millionth time . . . science simply
    cannot (by its legitimate methods) adjudicate the
    issue of Gods possible superintendence of
    nature. We neither affirm nor deny it we simply
    cant comment on it as scientists. . . .
  • . . . Either half my colleagues are
    enormously stupid, or else

30
Agnostic Stephen Jay Gould
  • the science of Darwinism is fully compatible
    with conventional religious beliefsand equally
    compatible with atheism, thus proving that the
    two great realms of natures factuality and the
    source of human morality do not strongly
    overlap.
  • Impeaching a Self-Appointed Judge Book
  • Review of Darwin on Trial by Phillip
    E.
  • Johnson Scientific American 267. 1 July
    1992, 119.

31
Francis Collins
  • For quite a while in my twenties I was a pretty
    obnoxious atheist. At the age of 27, after a
    good deal of intellectual debating with myself
    about the plausibility of faith, and particularly
    with strong influence from C. S. Lewis, I became
    convinced that this was a decision I wanted to
    make, and I became by choice a Christian, a
    serious Christian, who believes that faith is not
    something that you just do on Sunday, but if it
    makes any sense at all, it is part of your whole
    life. Its the most important organizing
    principle in my life.

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Does Religion Poison Everything?
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Friedrich Nietzsche
  • Another Christian concept, no less crazy, has
    passed even more deeply into the tissue of
    modernity the concept of the equality of souls
    before God. This concept furnishes the prototype
    of all theories of equal rights mankind was
    first taught to stammer the proposition of
    equality in a religious context, and only later
    was it made into morality.
  • Friedrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power,
    Aphorism 765

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Keith Ward
  • But consider a parallel case politics could
    also be said to be one of the most destructive
    forces in human life. In Russia and Cambodia,
    millions of people have been killed in the name
    of socialist political ideologies. In Latin
    America, millions of people disappeared in
    ruthless campaigns of violence propagated by
    right-wing politicians. Deception, hypocrisy and
    misrepresentation are commonplace in political
    life. Might we not be better off in a world
    without politics too?

35
Keith Ward
  • Even science, often thought of as an
    uninterested search for truth, produces
    terrifying weapons of mass destruction, and the
    most advanced technology is used to destroy human
    lives in ever more effective and brutal ways.
    Would we be better off without science as well?
  • Keith Ward, Is Religion Dangerous?,
  • 179-80

36
Thomas Crean
  • Still, one point is worth making in answer to
    the authors claim . . . that religion causes
    people to do evil things. Insofar as this is
    true, it has no tendency to show that religion is
    itself a bad thing, or that its message is false.
    Love causes people to do evil things so does
    patriotism. The love of a man and a woman can
    lead to unfaithfulness, to the

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Thomas Crean
  • destruction of families and even to murder.
    Patriotism can lead to hatred and to the
    indiscriminate bombing of cities. None of this
    means that either love or patriotism is a bad
    thing. It simply means that the weakness of
    human nature is such that any great object or
    cause may stir our emotions as to lead us to act
    against our better judgment. If religion
    occasions evil as well

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Thomas Crean
  • as good, this is no sign of its falsity, but
    simply of its power of attraction over human
    nature. That in the name of religion good men
    may do bad things is no argument against
    religion, unless crimes of passion are arguments
    against human love.
  • Thomas Crean,
  • God is No Delusion, 118-19

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So Why Am INot a Naturalist (an Atheist)?
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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism is Self-Refuting.

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Naturalism.org
  • Naturalism as a worldview is based on the
    premise that knowledge about what exists and
    about how things work is best achieved through
    the sciences, not personal revelation or
    religious tradition. . . Scientific empiricism
    has the necessary consequence of unifying our
    knowledge of the world, of placing all objects of
    understanding within an overarching causal
    context. Under naturalism, there is a single,
    natural world in which phenomena arise.
    http//www.naturalism.org/tenetsof.htm

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Naturalism as Self-Refuting
  • One reason that I am not a naturalist is that
    naturalism cannot be proved according to its own
    methodology, i.e., the scientific method. What
    sort of scientific experiment could possibly be
    constructed to test such a hypothesis? The
    answer is none. This would not be a problem if
    the scientific method were not viewed as the only
    meaningful test for truth, but given that it is
    this becomes a deal-killer.

43
Dawkins Contradicting Dawkins
  • As an academic scientist, I am a passionate
    Darwinian, believing that natural selection is,
    if not the only driving force in evolution,
    certainly the only known force capable of
    producing the illusion of purpose which so
    strikes all who contemplate nature. But at the
    same time as I support Darwinism as a scientist,
    I am a passionate anti-Darwinian when it comes to
    politics and how we should conduct our human
    affairs.
  • A Devils Chaplain Reflections on Hope,
    Lies, Science, and Love, 10-11.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism is Self-Refuting.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human rationality.

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Naturalism and Reason
  • Naturalism undermines reason by insisting that
    reason is the result of an organ produced by a
    random process. Why should we believe that
    reason is a reliable guide to truth if naturalism
    is correct? Why should we believe that any
    theory produced by an organism that is itself
    produced by random processes is true?

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J. B. S. Haldane
  • If my mental processes are determined wholly by
    the motions of atoms within my brain, I have no
    reason to suppose that my beliefs are true . . .
    and hence I have no reason to believe that my
    brain is composed of atoms.
  • When I am Dead, in Possible Worlds ed.
    Carl A. Price (New Brunswick Transaction, 2002),
    209.

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Patricia Churchland
  • Boiled down to essentials, a nervous system
    enables the organism to succeed in the four F's
    feeding, fleeing, fighting and reproducing. The
    principle chore of nervous systems is to get the
    body parts where they should be in order that the
    organism may survive . . . Improvements in
    sensorimotor control confer an evolutionary

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Patricia Churchland
  • advantage a fancier style of representing is
    advantageous
  • so long as it is geared to the organism's way of
    life and enhances the organism's chances of
    survival. Truth, whatever that is, definitely
    takes the hindmost.
  • Patricia Smith Churchland, Epistemology
  • in the Age of Neuroscience Journal of
  • Philosophy, 84 (October 1987), 548.

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Richard Rorty
  • The idea that one species of organism is,
    unlike all the others, oriented not just toward
    its own uncreated prosperity but toward Truth, is
    as un-Darwinian as the idea that every human
    being has a built-in moral compassa conscience
    that swings free of both social history and
    individual luck.
  • Untruth and Consequences,
  • The New Republic, 31 July 1995, 32-36.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism is Self-Refuting.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human rationality.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human free will.

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Naturalism.org
  • From a naturalistic perspective, there are no
    causally privileged agents, nothing that causes
    without being caused in turn.  Human beings act
    the way they do because of the various influences
    that shape them, whether these be biological or
    social, genetic or environmental. We do not have
    the capacity to act outside the causal
    connections that link us in every respect to the
    rest of the world. This means we do not have what
    many people think of as free will, being able to
    cause our behavior without our being fully caused
    in turn.
  • http//www.naturalism.org/
    tenetsof.htm

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Naturalism and Freedom
  • One way that naturalists will try to show that
    we are physically determined is to show that we
    can track certain types of reactions in the brain
    scientifically. This shows only that our thoughts
    are processed by the brain and that certain brain
    states can tracked under the right conditions.
    But what cannot be observed without some
    reference to the world beyond ones brain is the
    specific content of that mental activity. A
    scientist might be able to

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Naturalism and Freedom
  • identify the part of the brain that is involved
    in meditation or prayer but he cannot discern
    what an individual is praying foror to whom.
    This is because the content of thought is not
    found in the brain but in the mind. You can look
    in my laptop and find the data that translates to
    the words of this presentation but you will not
    find the thoughts behind the words in my computer
    because those thoughts are in my mind, not the
    instrument that I use to communicate those
    thoughts.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism is Self-Refuting.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human rationality.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human free will.
  • Because Naturalism undermines morality.

55
Atheists Michael Ruse and E. O. Wilson
  • Human beings function better if they are
    deceived by their genes into thinking that there
    is a disinterested objective morality binding
    upon them, which all should obey. We help others
    because it is right to help them and because we
    know that they are inwardly compelled to
    reciprocate in equal measure. What Darwinian
    evolutionary theory shows is that this sense of
    right and the corresponding sense of wrong,
    feelings we take to be above individual desire
    and in some fashion outside biology, are in fact
    brought about by ultimate biological processes.

Moral Philosophy as Applied Science,
Philosophy, 61 (1986) 179.
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Naturalism.org
  • From a naturalistic perspective, behavior arises
    out of the interaction between individuals and
    their environment, not from a freely willing self
    that produces behavior independently of causal
    connections . . . Therefore individuals dont
    bear ultimate originative responsibility for
    their actions, in the sense of being their first
    cause. Given the circumstances both inside and
    outside the body, they couldnt have done other
    than what they did. Nevertheless, we must

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Naturalism.org
  • still hold individuals responsible, in the sense
    of applying rewards and sanctions, so that their
    behavior stays more or less within the range of
    what we deem acceptable. This is, partially, how
    people learn to act ethically. Naturalism doesnt
    undermine the need or possibility of
    responsibility and morality, but it places them
    within the world as understood by science.
  • http//www.naturalism.org/tenetsof.htm

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Naturalism and Morality
  • How do we hold people responsible who arent
    responsible? If we arent free, then why do we
    call Francis of Assisi a Saint and Jeffrey Dahmer
    a monster? If we arent free (or rational), then
    why do atheists even write books? It would seem
    that we are all just determined to do what we do
    and there can be no such thing as persuasion.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism is Self-Refuting.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human rationality.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human freedom and
    free will.
  • Because Naturalism undermines morality.
  • Because Naturalism undermines human relationality.

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Naturalism and Relationships
  • If our actions are the result of physical
    causes, then what of love? Why does your husband
    or wife, boyfriend or girlfriend, love you? Why
    do you love your significant other? Does he/she
    do so freely? Do you? Not in a naturalist
    world. Love is simply a byproduct of biology
    its in our glands, or some other physical
    source. In a very real sense, then, in a
    naturalist world we can say that love is in our
    genesbut so is psychosis. On a material level,
    it seems, then, that love and mental illness are
    roughly the same.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism cannot explain human
    consciousness.

62
Richard Dawkins on Consciousness
  • Neither Steven Pinker nor I can explain human
    subjective consciousnesswhat philosophers call
    qualia. In How the Mind Works Steven elegantly
    sets out the problem of subjective consciousness,
    and asks where it comes from and whats the
    explanation. Then hes honest enough to say,
    Beats the heck out of me. That is an honest
    thing to say, and I echo it. We dont know. We
    dont understand it.
  • Richard Dawkins and Steven Pinker, Is Science
    Killing The Soul? http//www.edge.org/3rd_culture
    /dawkins_pinker/debate_p4.html

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Ned Block on Consciousness
  • We have no conception of our physical or
    functional nature that allows us to understand
    how it could explain our subjective experience. .
    . . In the case of consciousness we have
    nothingzilchworthy of being called a research
    programme, nor are there any substantive
    proposals about how to go about starting one. . .
    . Researchers are stumped.
  • Consciousness, in A
    Companion to Philosophy of Mind, 210-12.

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John Searle
  • Physical events can have only physical
    explanations, and consciousness is not physical,
    so consciousness plays no explanatory role
    whatsoever. If, for example, you think you ate
    because you were consciously hungry, or got
    married because you were consciously in love with
    your prospective spouse, or

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John Searle
  • withdrew your hand from the flame because you
    consciously felt a pain, or spoke up at a meeting
    because you consciously disagreed with the main
    speaker, you are mistaken in every case. In each
    case the effect was a physical event and
    therefore must have an entirely physical
    explanation.
  • The Mystery of Consciousness, 154.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism cannot explain human
    consciousness.
  • Because Naturalism denies the substantial reality
    of the self.

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Naturalism.org
  • As strictly physical beings, we dont exist as
    immaterial selves, either mental or spiritual,
    that control behavior. Thought, desires,
    intentions, feelings, and actions all arise on
    their own without the benefit of a supervisory
    self, and they are all the products of a physical
    system, the brain and the body. The self is
    constituted by more or less consistent sets of
    personal characteristics, beliefs, and actions
    it doesnt exist apart from those complex
    physical processes that make up the individual.
    It may strongly seem as if there is a self
    sitting behind experience, witnessing it, and
    behind behavior, controlling it, but this
    impression

68
Naturalism.org
  • is strongly disconfirmed by a scientific
    understanding of human behavior.
  • Tenets of Naturalism http//www.naturalism.org/ten
    etsof.htm

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Naturalism.org
  • We are the evolved products of natural
    selection, which operates without intention,
    foresight or purpose. Nothing about us escapes
    being included in the physical universe, or
    escapes being shaped by the various
    processesphysical, biological, psychological,
    and socialthat science describes. On a
    scientific understanding of ourselves, theres no
    evidence for immaterial souls, spirits, mental
    essences, or disembodied selves which stand apart
    from the physical world.
  • Tenets of Naturalism http//www.naturalism.org/ten
    etsof.htm

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism cannot explain human
    consciousness.
  • Because Naturalism denies the substantial reality
    of the self.
  • Because even if Darwinism is true, it doesnt
    necessarily lead to Naturalism.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism cannot explain human
    consciousness.
  • Because Naturalism denies the substantial reality
    of the self.
  • Because even if Darwinism is true, it doesnt
    necessarily lead to Naturalism.
  • Because Naturalism has no answer to the problem
    of evil.

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Why I Am Not a Naturalist
  • Because Naturalism cannot explain human
    consciousness.
  • Because Naturalism denies the substantial reality
    of the self.
  • Because even if Darwinism is true, it doesnt
    necessarily lead to Naturalism.
  • Because Naturalism has no answer to the problem
    of evil.
  • Because Naturalism often appeals to ad hoc
    solutions, such as Memes.

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Richard Dawkins on Memes
  • We need a name for the new replicator, a noun
    that conveys the idea of a unit of cultural
    transmission, or a unit of imitation. Mimeme
    comes from a suitable Greek root, but I want a
    monosyllable that sounds a bit like gene. I
    hope my classicist friends will forgive me if I
    abbreviate mimeme to meme. If it is any
    consolation, it could alternatively be thought of
    as being related to memory, or to the French
    word même. It should be pronounced to rhyme with
    cream.
  • The Selfish Gene, 11

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Simon Conway Morris on Memes
  • Memes are trivial, to be banished by simple
    mental exercises. In any wider context, they are
    hopelessly, if not hilariously, simplistic.
  • Lifes Solution Inevitable Humans in a Lonely
    Universe, 324

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Practical Strategies for talking to Atheists
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General Strategies
  • Use their authorities.
  • DO NOT ARGUE EVOLUTION. This is like trying to
    get to Baton Rouge by going through Australia.
  • Dont argue the age of the earth.
  • Focus on Physics and Cosmology rather than
    Biology.
  • Use questions.

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Strategy 1
  • Ask them if they think they freely dont believe
    in God.
  • Ask them if they think they are rational and can
    reason their way to the truth on important
    issues.
  • Ask how certain they are.
  • Ask them how this can be the case if naturalism,
    i.e., materialism is true.

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Strategy 1
  • Ask them which they are more certain
    aboutmaterialism or their own freedom and
    rationality.

79
Strategy 2
  • Ask them if they believe in investigation and
    research.
  • Ask them how they have investigated the question
    of God.
  • Ask them how important this issue is.
  • Ask them if the intensity of their investigation
    has been proportional to the importance of the
    issue.

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Strategy 3
  • Ask them how old the universe is.
  • They will generally say that the universe is more
    than 13 billion years old (because thats what
    standard big bang cosmology indicates). They
    often assume that all Christians believe in a
    young universe.

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Strategy 3
  • Point out to them that if something has an age,
    it has a beginning.
  • Point out that if something has a beginning, it
    has a causeand that they have already agreed
    that the universe has a beginning. Therefore the
    universe has a cause.

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Strategy 3
  • Note We have not proved God, and certainly not
    the Christian God, but this cause is consistent
    with the Christian view of God.
  • Note The age of the universe is NOT an issue
    with this approach. The key is getting them to
    admit that the universe has an age!

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Strategy 3
  • When you ask them how old the universe is, they
    may say that the universe is eternal.
  • Ask them why it is that every part of the
    universe that we know of shows signs of age, thus
    indicating that each and every part of the
    universe is temporal, i.e., not eternal.

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Strategy 3
  • Note I am NOT suggesting that we argue from the
    fact that every part of the universe is temporal
    to the universe itself being temporal. To do so
    would be to commit (or as least appear to commit)
    the fallacy of composition. Asking questions is
    not making arguments.

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Strategy 3
  • Also ask why it is that they dont accept the
    standard big bang cosmology. In other words, why
    they are going against the scientific consensus
    on this point.
  • They may say that they believe in either an
    oscillating universe or a universe ensemble
    (multiverse).

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Strategy 3
  • Point out to them that there is no evidence of
    either (though each is logically possible).
  • Ask them how either is a scientific hypothesis,
    given that neither is falsifiable (or
    observable).
  • Ask them how either is simpler than the standard
    big bang cosmology.

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Bowman, Brett Kunkle, Bob Stewart, and many
others.
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You can get this PPT file by emailing me
atdrbobstewart_at_yahoo.com orrstewart_at_nobts.edu
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Im on Facebook as Bob Stewart. If you want to
friend me, please send me a message saying where
you heard me speak and Ill confirm you.Thanks
and God bless you.
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