Title: Results of a Licensure Needs Assessment Survey of Michigan Genetic Counselors
1Results of a Licensure Needs Assessment Survey of
Michigan Genetic Counselors
- Jessica Mester, B.S.
- MAGiC Meeting, March 9th, 2005
2What is a Needs Assessment?
- Important first step
-
- Literally, assesses a need in a community
regarding a specific issue
3Why Perform a Needs Assessment?
- Discover how Michigan genetic counselors and
Ph.D. Medical Geneticists feel about licensure - Uncover any misconceptions about licensure
- Gather opinions on controversial issues (i.e.
eligibility, supervision, ordering tests)
4Survey Design
- Summer 2004 Contacted leaders of licensure
efforts in other states listed on NSGC website - July 2004 Obtained sample surveys from Texas and
California Licensure Working Groups
5Survey Design
- Gathered input from a variety of sources
- Michigan Licensure Working Group
- NSGC Licensure Subcommittee
- U of M Research Committee
- Several revisions of survey instrument
- Reviewed and approved by IRBMED at the University
of Michigan
6Survey Methodology
- 36 questions long
- Sent by e-mail to 66 individuals in Michigan
- 63 genetic counselors, 3 Ph.D. Medical
Geneticists - 1 e-mail rejected, 3 GCs moved to other states
- Received responses from 41 individuals
- 38 genetic counselors, 3 Ph.D. Medical
Geneticists - 38 by e-mail, 3 by postal mail
7Study Limitations
- Response rate at least 66 (41/62) within a 3
week time period - Ascertainment bias?
- Small sample sizes ? difficulty determining
statistical significance - only 3 Ph.D. Medical Geneticists surveyed
8Data analysis
- Statistical significance plt0.05
- Trends plt0.10
- Used Chi-Square analysis and logistic regression
as implemented in SPSS v. 13.0
9Interpretation
- Unless specifically noted, there were no
statistically significant differences between
demographic groups (i.e. board-certified vs.
board-eligible counselors, clinical vs. other
roles, etc.)
10Results Overview
- Section I Demographic Information
- Section III Thoughts on Licensure
- Section II Language in a Potential Bill
11Certification Status
- 28 ABGC/ABMG-certified Genetic Counselors (GCs)
- 1 not currently in practice data not included
- 10 ABGC-eligible GCs
- All planning to take next board exam
- 3 ABMG-certified Ph.D. Medical Geneticists (MGs)
12Years Employed
13Gender
14Highest academic degree
15Primary Role
N26
N5
N3
N2
N1
16Subspecialties (for Clinical GCs)
N
17Primary Employment Setting
18Outreach Participation
19Primary Supervisor
N
20Results Overview
- Section I Demographic Information
- Section III Thoughts on Licensure
- Section II Language in a Potential Bill
21Q31 Overall thoughts about licensure
N19
N19
N1
N1
22Groupwise Comparisons
- Board-certified counselors were about six times
more likely than board-eligible counselors to
strongly support licensure (vs. support)
p0.044, CI1.049-34.317 - Cancer counselors were significantly more likely
to strongly support licensure (vs. support)
p0.026, OR12.9
23Q32 Reasons to support
- I feel it is necessary to legally ensure that
only individuals with the appropriate education
are providing the public with information about
their genetic risks. - I feel it is necessary to have an enforceable
method of penalization for those who violate
ethical standards of practice. - I believe it is necessary to have a legal
definition for who may and may not use the job
title genetic counselor.
24Q32 Reasons to support
- I feel it is important for genetic counseling to
be in-line with other healthcare professions
that require a license. - I believe licensure would further legitimize
genetic counseling as a distinct allied
healthcare profession. - I believe licensure will protect genetic
counselors from litigation. - Two spaces to write in other responses.
25Q32 Reasons to support
- 1st strongest
- Appropriate education (20/37)
- Legitimize GC as distinct HC prof. (10/37)
- Imp. for GC to be in-line (4/37)
- Legal definition for GC job title (3/37)
- 2nd strongest
- Tie Legal definition and Legitimize (10/37)
- Tie Appropriate education and In-line (7/37)
- Penalization for ethical violations (2/37)
- Other for billing purposes (1/37)
26Q32 Reasons to support
N
27Q32 Significant Trends
- Those practicing adult genetics and those
supervised by PhD Medical Geneticists all
selected appropriate education as either their
first or second choice - No person supervised by a non-geneticist
subspecialty physician chose job title as
either their first or second choice p0.033
28Q32 Significant Trends
- Board-eligible counselors were more likely to
select further legitimize than board-certified
counselors p0.009, OR13.0 - Those working 5 or more years were more likely to
select in-line p0.041, OR6.86 - Cancer and Adult Genetics counselors were less
likely to select further legitimize than others
p0.009, OR18.0 and p0.048, OR12.86
respectively
29Q29 Need for GC to be licensed?
N33
N7
30Q30a Public protection
N30
N8
N2
31Q30b Further legitimize
N39
N1
32Q30c Lawsuits
N18
N21
N1
33Q30d Practice independently
N13
N26
34Q34-35 Harm caused by inaccurate information
- Q34 From a genetic counselor?
- 3 of 39 (7.7) answered Yes
- Q35 From another healthcare worker?
- 21 of 38 (55.3) answered Yes
- I clean up A LOT of messes, especially with VUS
in BRCA ½. No patient has DIED, but the
psychosocial impact is something difficult to
measure.
35Results Overview
- Section I Demographic Information
- Section III Thoughts on Licensure
- Section II Language in a Potential Bill
36Q11 Who should be eligible to obtain a GC
license?
37Q11 GCs compared to MGs
38Q12 What GC roles should require a license?
39Q12 Trends
- Those whose primary role is teaching were less
likely to say that GCs in a teaching role should
require a license than those in other primary
roles.
Teaching should NOT be included Teaching SHOULD be included
Primary role is teaching 2 1
Primary role is other than teaching 6 31
p0.096 OR10.3
40Q12 Trends
41Q13 What kind of exam?
Other responses If board certified- no exam
The Michigan licensure board should be
responsible for a licensing examination for those
who are waiting for the ABGC certification exam
ACMG boards Above should read ABMG OR ABGC
certification examination
N37
N4
42Q14 Continuing education requirements?
Other response Not sure what they should be,
but individuals in specialized fields may not be
able/allowed to attend enough educational
activities to fulfill ABCG sic requirements.
N36
N1
43Q15 Need for temporary licenses?
N30
N6
N3
44Q15 Comparison between groups
45Q16 Who should have a temporary license?
46Q17 Limit on temporary licenses?
Other response I think that there is a
question missing here this is assuming that
ABGC is the key
N28
N1
47Q22 Supervision required for fully licensed GCs?
N11
N17
N9
48Q22 BC compared to BE GCs
49Q23 Who may supervise?
N
50Q24 Additional sup. for GCs with temp. licenses?
N23
N9
N5
51Q24 BC compared to BE GCs
52Q25 Who may supervise GCs with temp. licenses?
N
53Q18 How are your visits arranged?
Other responses Part of my time is spent in
private practice and I have no supervision.
Note Supervisor in room only if a physical exam
is required. I am part of a team and MD sees
all patients. MD is available in person,
phone or page to discuss case if needed and
co-sign clinic notes for billing purposes.
N6
N8
N3
N12
54Q19 How would you prefer visits arranged if
licensed?
Other responses Supervision only necessary if
a physical exam or medical treatment/procedure is
appropriate during the appointment.
Supervisor review non-routine cases. No
supervision for counseling visits, supervisor
present for cases involving exam. This needs
to be flexible, based on the setting.
Supervisor is available but not necessarily on
site
N9
N14
N1
N6
N7
55Changes within groups
- Have Supervisor on site (8)
- 7 Same response
- 1 Supervisor reviews all cases
- 1 Supervision not necessary
- Have Supervisor reviews all cases (3)
- 2 Same response
- 2 Supervisor meets with each for billing
- 1 Other
56Changes within groups
- Have Supervisor meets for billing (12)
- 7 Supervisor available on site
- 4 Supervisor reviews all cases
- 2 Same Response
- 1 Supervision not necessary
- 1 Other
- Have Other (5)
- 1 Supervisor reviews all cases
- 4 Same Response
57Q20 What type for cases with only GC?
Other responses Supervisor available to
discuss cases, not required on site. A
supervisor reviews all cases with a GC on a
regular basis. Case dependent Available
being the operative word in the first option
and not mandatory supervision
N5
N6
N22
N5
N5
58Q26 Support private practice?
N28
N10
N2
59Q26 Trends
- Individuals who have a primarily clinical role
were about 6 times less likely to support private
practice. p 0.124
Yes No or Dont Know
Clinical 18 11
Not clinical 10 1
p0.124 OR6.1
60Q27 Which components of genetic testing should a
fully-licensed GC be able to perform independent
of a physician?
- Deciding which genetic test to order
- Ordering the genetic test in the genetic
counselors name - Deciding which laboratorys testing services to
utilize - Obtaining informed consent from patients.
- Interpreting genetic test results for patients
- I do not feel that GCs should be able to perform
any components of genetic testing independent of
a physician.
61Q27 Components of genetic testing
N23
N14
N2
62Q27 Components of genetic testing
63Q28 What types of genetic tests should a GC be
able to order independent of a physician?
- Prenatal screening tests
- Fetal diagnostic tests
- Carrier testing
- Diagnostic genetic testing for adults
- Diagnostic genetic testing for children
- Predictive genetic testing
- Presymptomatic genetic testing
64Q28 Types of genetic tests
N11
N7
N20
65Q28 Types of genetic tests
66Q28 Notable comparisons
- Pediatric counselors were more likely to believe
that GCs should be able to order presymptomatic
genetic testing
Presymptomatic Not presymptomatic
Pediatric counselors 8 3
Non-pediatric counselors 7 11
p0.077 OR4.2
67Q28 Notable comparisons
- Cancer counselors were more likely to believe
that GCs should be able to order diagnostic
testing for children.
Dx testing for children Not dx testing for children
Cancer counselors 4 2
Non-cancer counselors 5 17
p0.064 OR6.8
68Q28 Trends
- Pediatric counselors were more likely to believe
that GCs should be able to order fetal diagnostic
tests. - Cancer counselors were more likely to believe
that GCs should be able to order diagnostic tests
for adults. - 100 of counselors who participate in outreach
believe that GCs should be able to order some
types of tests independently.
69Final comments
- I support licensure as long as it does not
prevent certified GCs from going into private
practice. This would include seeing patients in
other states. For instance, I currently live in
Michigan but through my private practice I
provide GC services for an IVF clinic in Florida.
I would want to be able to continue this
arrangement as a licensed GC whether or not in
Florida, or any other state, had licensure laws.
Furthermore, I would support that only licensed
GCs would be able to go into private practice.
70Final Comments
- I think that there are some important points
that have been missed above. I feel that Myriad
is a perfect example of ways that others will
by-pass the need for using the term genetic
counselor, but yet still provide these services.
So, will all this effort be for nothing? Also,
will all this effort only be to license a few
select individuals in Michigan? Will the public
and other HC professionals even realize this
effort? Importantly, will this limit access to
care??? This is the most important question from
insurers and PH professionals! I think this
question needs to be desperately examined, and
very carefully considered!
71Final Comments
- The only question I had difficulty in answering
is regarding our involvement with independently
ordering tests. I feel we have the capability to
order prenatal tests for the majority of
patients, but pediatric cases should be assessed
a PhD or MD with their added medical training. I
feel we would be opening ourselves up to
tremendous liability and possible harm to our
patients. On the other hand we are often the
ones ensuring all and correct tests are ordered
especially when working with other physician
specialists. Not sure what the right answer is.
72Final Comments
- It is so clear that doing genetic counseling is
a highly specialized area of expertise, and that
only those that are licensed, following
appropriate training and evaluation, should do
GC. - How is the issue of nursing in genetics being
addressed? Genetic Nursing certification is
available at the BS and MS level.
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74Acknowledgements
- Licensure Working Group
- Cheryl Harper, MS
- Angela Trepanier, MS
- Helga Toriello, PhD
- Jacquelyn Riley, MS
- Breanna Cox, MS
- Rajani Aatre-Keshavamurthy, MS
- Carrie Couyoumjjian, MS
- NSGC Licensure Subcommittee
- Chris Miller, MS
- Sara Goldman, MPH
- Dan Riconda, MS
- Karen Potter, MS
- University of Michigan Research Committee
- Wendy Uhlmann, MS
- Laura Rozek, MPH
- Beverly Yashar, PhD, MS
- Edward Goldman, JD
- Cleopatra Caldwell, PhD
- Jerome Gorski, MD
- All survey participants!