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Title: Science, God


1
Science, God Christ
  • Genesis and Science Compatibility Extraordinaire

2
Thesis
  • Is there any consistency between the Genesis
    account of creation and science?
  • Here are some compelling theories, sometimes
    contradictory to each other, ranging from
    relativistic time dilation to linguistic
    details..
  • We also incidents of friction between science and
    the church. The church was often the guilty
    party in these conflicts.

3
Perspective
  • Some explanations are crystal clear in the Bible,
    e.g. salvation through Christ. Some are not.
    Certain concepts are not developed to the point
    some would like to see them developed or are
    like looking through a glass darkly.
  • Does the Bible emphasize those points that are
    important and give less explanation to those
    points not as critical?

Most people are bothered by those passages in
scripture which they cannot understand but as
for me the passages which trouble me most are
those that I do. Mark Twain
4
The Big Bang
  • Is it Biblical?
  • Is it consistent with Genesis?
  • Is the cosmological record of earths history
    consistent with the Bible?
  • Is day in Genesis a 24 hour period? Is defense
    of its definition found in scripture?

5
Science the Church Some Unflattering History
  • Those Who Refuse To Learn From History Repeat
    It.George Santayana

George Santayana (1863-1952)
6
Science the Church Some Unflattering History
  • Can YOU prove
  • The earth is round?
  • The earth moves around the sun?
  • The solar system is heliocentric?

7
ASCENSION
  • Luke 2451. And it came to pass, while he blessed
    them, he was parted from them, and carried up
    into heaven.

8
The Flat Earth Society Model
  • Science Digest, July 1980

According to the New Testament, Jesus ascended up
into heaven. "The whole point of the Copernican
theory is to get rid of Jesus by saying there is
no up and no down," declares Johnson. "The
spinning ball thing just makes the whole Bible a
big joke."
Charles K. Johnson, president of the
International Flat Earth Research Society
http//www.lhup.edu/dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
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Learning From History
  • The Copernicus dispute
  • A Heliocentric God?

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
10
Learning From History
  • The Copernicus dispute Pope Paul III
  • Copernicus dedicated his work to "the Most Holy
    Lord Pope Paul III,"
  • The church, by 1616, banned all books, including
    Copernicus', that advocated a revolving earth. In
    1633 the church forbade any Catholic to believe
    or teach that the earth moved.

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Pope Paul III (1468-1549)
11
Learning From History
  • The Copernicus dispute Martin Luther
  • Luther called Copernicus "an upstart astrologer,"
    for after all, Luther said, the Bible clearly
    taught that "Joshua commanded the sun to stand
    still, not the earth."

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Martin Luther (1483 - 1546 )
12
Learning From History
  • The Copernicus dispute Philip Melanchthon
  • Philip Melanchthon, quoting Ecclesiastes,
    thundered that the "earth abideth forever" and
    the "sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down,
    and hasteth to his place where he arose," and
    attacked Copernicus.

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Philip Melanchthon (1497-1560)
13
What the Bible says
  • Ecclesiastes 1
  • 4 Generations come and generations go, but the
    earth remains forever.
  • 5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries
    back to where it rises.

14
Learning From History
  • The Copernicus dispute John Calvin
  • Psalm 931 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with
    majesty the LORD is clothed with strength,
    wherewith he hath girded himself the world
    also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
  • Calvin, quoting Psalm 931, asked "Who will place
    the authority of Copernicus above that of the
    Holy Spirit?"

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
John Calvin (1509-1564).
15
Learning From History Galileo
  • The dispute Galileo believed in Copernicus
    heliocentric model, i.e. the earth and the
    planets revolved around the sun.
  • The Roman Catholic Church interpreted
    heliocentrism as a direct assault on its
    doctrines. It placed his heliocentrism books of
    the Churchs Index of prohibited Books until 1835
    and officially forgave Galileo in 1981.

Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
16
What the Bible says
  • Psalm 931b . The world is firmly established
    it cannot be moved.
  • Psalm 104 5. He set the earth on its
    foundations it can never be moved.

17
Galileos retort
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same
god who has endowed us with sense, reason and
intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei February 15, 1564
Galileo believed
The holy scriptures cannot err and the decrees
therein contained are absolutely true and
inviolable. But its expounders and
interpreters are liable to err in many ways and
one error in particular would be most grave and
frequent, if we always stopped short at the
literal signification of the words.
18
What do the erroneous scriptural references to
flat earth non-heliocentricity have in common?
19
Perspective?
  • Ecclesiastes 1
  • 4 Generations come and generations go, but the
    earth remains forever.
  • 5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries
    back to where it rises.

Perspectives (1) From that of an observer on the
surface of the earth. (2) Newtonian space and
time. Question Is the verse true in a relative
sense?
20
Perspective?
  • Luke 2451. And it came to pass, while he
    blessed them, he was parted from them, and
    carried up into heaven.
  • Perspective From that of an observer on the
    surface of the earth.

www.geocities.com/emeraldcity33/ ascension.html
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Interpretation...
  • Three items to consider
  • Translation variation (e.g. word meaning)
  • Literal vs. metaphor
  • Perspective

22
1. Word Meaning What Means Day?
  • Moses Genesis
  • day  24 Hours? 
  • Psalm 90
  • A Prayer of Moses
  • 4. For a thousand years in thy sight are but as
    yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in
    the night.

http//www.blueletterbible.org/
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1. Word Meaning What Means Day?
Gen 24 These are the generations of the
heavens and of the earth when they were created,
in the day that the LORD God made the earth and
the heavens,
Gen 51 This is the book of the generations of
Adam. ..
http//www.blueletterbible.org/
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1. Word Meaning What Means Day?
  • A Genesis day  24 Hours? 
  • Gen 268 And it came to pass, when he had been
    there a long time, that Abimelech king of the
    Philistines looked out at a window,
  • Gen 3812 And in process of time the daughter of
    Shuah Judah's wife died ...
  • Exd 1310 Thou shalt therefore keep this
    ordinance in his season from year to year.
  • Num 1010 Also in the day of your gladness, and
    in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of
    your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets

25
Strong says
  • 1) day, time, year1a) day (as opposed to
    night)1b) day (24 hour period)1b1) as defined
    by evening and morning in Genesis 11b2) as a
    division of time1b2a) a working day, a day's
    journey1c) days, lifetime (pl.)1d) time, period
    (general)1e) year1f) temporal references1f1)
    today1f2) yesterday1f3) tomorrow

http//www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
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2. Literal or Metaphor?
  • Psalm 988 Let the rivers clap their hands, let
    the mountains sing together for joy
  • Isaiah 5512-13 You will go out in joy and be led
    forth in peace the mountains and hills will
    burst into song before you, and all the trees of
    the field will clap their hands.
  • Deuteronomy 515a Remember that you were slaves
    in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you
    out of there with a mighty hand and an
    outstretched arm.
  • Revelation 717b And God will wipe away every
    tear from their eyes

27
3. Observer Perspective
  • Remember Flat Earth and the persecution of
    Copernicus Galileo.
  • A Matter of Perspective?
  • Newtonian Space Time?

28
The Genesis Questionby Dr. Hugh Ross
  • http//reasons.org/index.shtml

Another Theory
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Galileos Rule (Ross)
  • Begin by establishing not assuming the
    perspective.
  • Gen 11 In the beginning God created the heavens
    and the earth.
  • 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness
    was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit
    of God was hovering over the waters.
  • .
  • Perspective The surface of the earth dark
    through a thick overcast.

30
Genesis 1 Day 1
  • 3. And God said, "Let there be light," and there
    was light.
  • 4 God saw that the light was good, and he
    separated the light from the darkness.
  • 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he
    called "night." And there was evening, and there
    was morning--the first day.
  • Notes
  • From an observer on earth, light penetrated the
    Earths dark shroud for the first time.
  • The Hebrew word Haya is used meaning to exist
    or to come to pass. The words bara, or
    yasar, meaning to create is not.
  • If Morning Evening are taken literally, the
    observer is on the surface of the earth.

31
Genesis 1 Day 2
  • 6. And God said, "Let there be an expanse between
    the waters to separate water from water."
  • 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water
    under the expanse from the water above it. And it
    was so.
  • 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was
    evening, and there was morning--the second day.
  • Creation of the troposphere the atmospheric
    layer just above the ocean where clouds form and
    humidity resides. This is made possible by the
    light introduced on day one.

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Genesis 1 Day 3a
  • 9. And God said, "Let the water under the sky be
    gathered to one place, and let dry ground
    appear." And it was so.
  • 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the
    gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw
    that it was good.
  • Wrinkling of the surface of the earth by volcanic
    activity and plate tectonics.

33
Genesis 1 Day 3b
  • 11 Then God said, "Let the land produce
    vegetation seed-bearing plants and trees on the
    land that bear fruit with seed in it, according
    to their various kinds." And it was so.
  • 12 The land produced vegetation plants bearing
    seed according to their kinds and trees bearing
    fruit with seed in it according to their kinds.
    And God saw that it was good.
  • 13 And there was evening, and there was
    morning--the third day.
  • The newly formed dry land brings forth
    vegetation.

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Genesis 1 Day 4
  • 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the
    expanse of the sky to separate the day from the
    night, and let them serve as signs to mark
    seasons and days and years,
  • 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the
    sky to give light on the earth." And it was so.
  • 16 God made two great lights--the greater light
    to govern the day and the lesser light to govern
    the night. He also made the stars.
  • 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give
    light on the earth,
  • 18 to govern the day and the night, and to
    separate light from darkness. And God saw that it
    was good.
  • 19 And there was evening, and there was
    morning--the fourth day.
  • The overcast shroud, which light penetrates, is
    parted to reveal the sun, the stars and the moon.

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Genesis 1 Day 4
  • 16 God made two great lights--the greater light
    to govern the day and the lesser light to govern
    the night. He also made the stars.
  • imperfect tense . The imperfect expresses an
    action, process or condition which is incomplete,
    and it has a wide range of meaning1a) It is
    used to describe a single (as opposed to a
    repeated) action in the past it differs from the
    perfect in being more vivid and pictorial. The
    perfect expresses the "fact", the imperfect adds
    colour and movement by suggesting the "process"
    preliminary to its completion.

http//www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/104
5832199-97.html
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Genesis 1 Day 5
  • 20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living
    creatures, and let birds fly above the earth
    across the expanse of the sky."
  • 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea
    and every living and moving thing with which the
    water teems, according to their kinds, and every
    winged bird according to its kind. And God saw
    that it was good.
  • 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and
    increase in number and fill the water in the
    seas, and let the birds increase on the earth."
  • 23 And there was evening, and there was
    morning--the fifth day.
  • God puts fish in the water and birds in the air.

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Genesis 1 Day 6a
  • 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living
    creatures according to their kinds livestock,
    creatures that move along the ground, and wild
    animals, each according to its kind." And it was
    so.
  • 25 God made the wild animals according to their
    kinds, the livestock according to their kinds,
    and all the creatures that move along the ground
    according to their kinds. And God saw that it was
    good.
  • God makes animals.

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Genesis 1 Day 6b
  • 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image,
    in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish
    of the sea and the birds of the air, over the
    livestock, over all the earth,and over all the
    creatures that move along the ground."
  • 27 So God created man in his own image, in the
    image of God he created him male and female he
    created them.
  • 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be
    fruitful and increase in number fill the earth
    and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and
    the birds of the air and over every living
    creature that moves on the ground."
  • God makes man and woman.

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Genesis 1 Day 6c
  • 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing
    plant on the face of the whole earth and every
    tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be
    yours for food.
  • 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the
    birds of the air and all the creatures that move
    on the ground--everything that has the breath of
    life in it--I give every green plant for food."
    And it was so.
  • 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very
    good. And there was evening, and there was
    morning--the sixth day.
  • God gives man provisions.

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Genesis 2 Day 7
  • 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed
    in all their vast array.
  • 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he
    had been doing so on the seventh day he rested
    ceased from all his work.
  • 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it
    holy, because on it he rested from all the work
    of creating that he had done.
  • 4 This is the account of the heavens and the
    earth when they were created.
  • God finishes creation and rests.

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Consistency
  • The sequence of events in Genesis is consistent
    with the sequence of events in science. (This
    seems unique in the worlds major religions.)
    The cause is not.

Heres another view
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The Science of Godby Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder,
Ph.D. (Physics) MIT
One Theory
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The Science of Godby Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder,
Ph.D. (Physics) MIT
  • 1.Space Expands
  • In a nutshell
  • Solid Relativity

2. Time relativitistically dilates 3. Past time,
from our perspective, looks much faster than our
current time.
One Theory
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The Science of Godby Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder,
Ph.D. (Physics) MIT
  • Big bang models suggest a slowing down of time.
    We can measure this from the cosmic background
    radiation (currently about 2.73oK) and the big
    bang temperature (10.9 ?1012 oK).
  • Result From current perspective, logarithmic
    intervals of time linearize our perspective.

One Theory
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The Science of Godby Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder,
Ph.D. (Physics) MIT
  • From the Bibles perspective looking
    forward in time from the start of day one, each
    Creation Day has 24 hours.

One Theory
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Creation Harmony
Day Start (Billion Years) Bible Science
1 15.750 The creation of the universe light separates from dark (Gen 11-5) Big bang light breaks free as electrons bond to atomic nuclei galaxies start to form.
2 7.750 The heavenly firmament forms (Gen 16-8) Disk of the Milky forms Sun, a main sequence star, forms
3 3.750 Oceans and dry land appear the first life, plants, appear (Gen 1 9-13) Earth has cooled and liquid water appears 3.8 billion years ago followed almost immediately by the first forms of life bacteria photosynthetic algae
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Creation Harmony
Day Start (Billion Years) Bible Science
4 1.750 The sun, moon stars become visible in the heavens. (Gen 19-13) Earths atmosphere becomes transparent photosynthesis produces oxygen rich atmosphere.
5 0.75 First animal life swarms abundantly in waters followed by reptiles and winged animals (Gen 120-23) First multicellular animals waters swarm with animal life having the basic body plans of all future animals first winged insects.
6 0.25 (ends about 6000 years ago) Land animals mammals humankind (Gen 124-31) Massive extinction destroys over 90 of life. Land is repopulated hominids and then humans.
48
Consistency
  • The sequence of events in Genesis is consistent
    with the sequence of events in science. (This
    seems unique in the worlds major religions.)
    The cause is not.

Science and wisdom are not enough.
49
Faith before Science
  • 1 Corinthians 1
  • 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world
    through its wisdom did not know him, God was
    pleased through the foolishness of what was
    preached to save those who believe.
  • 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look
    for wisdom,
  • 23 but we preach Christ crucified a stumbling
    block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

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Solomons Sage Advice
Solomons Sage Advice...
11 The words of the wise are like goads, their
collected sayings like firmly embedded
nails-given by one Shepherd. 12 Be warned, my
son, of anything in addition to them. Of making
many books there is no end, and much study
wearies the body. 13 Now all has been heard
here is the conclusion of the matter Fear God
and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12
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A Meta Question
  • How should the accuracy of these interpretations
    of Gen 1 effect our relationship with Christ?

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Finis
Robert J. Marks II r.marks_at_ieee.org
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