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Title: 145'09 is fine Why Move Frequency


1
145.09 is fineWhy Move Frequency?
  • How your packet operating will improve after
    changing frequency.
  • (Or Why I dont want to wait for some guy
    halfway across the state to stop transmitting
    before I can get a reasonably good packet
    connection!)

2
The Present Situation
  • Nearly everyone is on 145.09 throughout the state
  • Works fine sometimes but boggs down now and then.
  • Cannot get reliable connections to distant nodes.
  • Sometimes even my local node doesnt hear me well.

3
When it works 1 user
  • Craig N8KMY connects to the KAL node 15 miles
    away.
  • He hears KAL and KAL hears N8KMY.
  • Its a beautiful thing, no retries, good and fast
    responses and data throughput.

4
Add 1 distant user
  • Lyle AB8CB gets on from the Soo and connects to
    the WA8OOH-10 Telpac node.
  • Neither N8KMY nor KAL can hear AB8CB directly,
    but KAL can hear WA8OOH-10 marginally.
  • The converse is true as WA8OOH can hear KAL, but
    not N8KMY.
  • (NOTE Coverage regions shown may be exaggerated
    mildly to account for variations in station
    performance.)

5
Some facts to remember
  • A packet station will not transmit if it hears
    another station currently transmitting on the
    frequency, even if its too weak to copy.
  • Any data errors received will cause the incoming
    packet to be ignored.
  • When two stations double the resulting audio
    often has audio products called a heterodyne
    that are of varying levels depending on the
    comparative signal strengths of the stations
    doubling.

6
Life in Slow Motion..
  • N8KMY is connected to KAL and sends the command
    to read a message.
  • AB8CB is connected to WA8OOH-10 and sends the
    command to read a message
  • KAL receives N8KMYs command just fine, as does
    WA8OOH-10 receives AB8CBs command.

7
The Slow Response
  • KAL starts transmitting the packet with the
    message information to N8KMY
  • WA8OOH-10 has to wait until KAL is finished
    sending the packet before it sends its
    information to AB8CB
  • AB8CB thinks WA8OOH-10 is a bit slow today, but
    doesnt realize WA8OOH-10 is waiting for the
    large packet from KAL to finish being transmitted.

8
Dropped Packet 1
  • KAL finishes transmitting and now WA8OOH-10 is
    sending its long packet to AB8CB.
  • N8KMY, hearing the KAL packet, sends the ACK
    acknowledgement packet to KAL. N8KMY cannot hear
    WA8OOH-10 and thinks its transmitting in the
    clear.
  • KAL does not decode the ACK from N8KMY because
    N8KMY doubled with WA8OOH-10 and there was
    enough heterodyne noise in the decoded audio for
    even a single bit of error in the data.

9
Repeated Packet 1
  • Since KAL did not get the ACK acknowledgement
    packet from N8KMY it resends the long information
    packet again.
  • WA8OOH-10 has to wait again while KAL transmits
    the retry packet.
  • Possibly, while KAL is transmitting the retry
    packet, AB8CB is having no luck getting through
    to WA8OOH-10 because he is now doubling with
    the KAL signal as heard by WA8OOH-10.

10
N8KMY is lucky
  • Lucky for N8KMY that WA8OOH-10 was not
    transmitting when his station sent the ACK
    acknowledgement to KAL on receipt of the first
    part of the message information.
  • KAL now sends the second information packet of
    the message N8KMY is reading.

11
AB8CB Reads His Mail
  • AB8CB commands WA8OOH-10 to send him his first
    mail message and lucky for him, KAL was not
    transmitting at the time.
  • WA8OOH-10 has the information packet ready to
    send but waits for KAL to finish transmitting
    its packet to N8KMY.

12
KB8TAS Joins in
  • Jerry, KB8TAS makes a connection to the W8COL
    COLBBS Tnc-bbs to check for mail.
  • COLBBS hears KB8TAS, WA8OOH-10, KAL and N8KMY
  • KB8TAS hears KAL and COLBBS but not N8KMY, AB8CB,
    nor WA8OOH-10

13
COLBBS Lists the mail
  • When WA8OOH-10 finishes sending its info to
    AB8CB, COLBBS jumps on and quickly sends its
    information to KB8TAS while KAL waits to send the
    next packet to N8KMY.
  • AB8CB sends an ACK acknowledgement to WA8OOH-10
    to acknowledge the last packet heard, but doubles
    with COLBBS and the ACK packet is lost, WA8OOH-10
    will have to resend/retry the previous packet.

14
N8KMY wonders what happened
  • N8KMY hasnt gotten any more text of his message
    in a while, it is as if KAL doesnt hear him well
    any more.
  • Lots of packets are flying, but they are all
    retries with the same data.(on the right, a
    young KF8KK holds a bit of data)

15
KB8TAS wonders what gives
  • KB8TAS manages to get the mail listing from
    COLBBS but wonders why it was so slow in
    coming.(on the right, WA5ZAI has had enough
    with retries!)

16
Is the Internet down
  • AB8CB thinks that perhaps theres a problem with
    the internet gateway at WA8OOH-10 as the mail
    took forever to come in.(on the right is
    where dropped packets go into a place one best
    not venture!)

17
Want to add one more
  • WZ8N from Manistee attempts to connect to DX
    cluster K8MV-2 via digipeater GRTR00 and get a DX
    listing
  • Use your imagination as to what happens
    next(well not quite as bad as hurricane
    katrina.)

18
What Was Happening
  • Packet works using Carrier Sense Multiple
    Access (CSMA) and expects only one transmitter
    to be active at any given moment.
  • CSMA works great when everyone can hear everyone
    else even faintly.
  • CSMA fails when there are stations not heard by
    everyone else--- these are called hidden
    transmitters.

19
The Hidden Transmitter Dilemma
  • When you have hidden transmitters there is
    doubling on the packet network which often
    results in dropped packets and retries.
  • Doubling on packet is worse than on FM voice as
    all you need is one erroneous data bit for the
    entire packet to get dropped.

20
Dismal Future Outlook?
  • If everyone stayed on the same 145.09 channel
  • For every new station that activates the entire
    system slows down a bit more.(just like 6 gas
    would slow the economy!)

21
The Solution
  • Move local areas onto isolated frequencies and
    use network gateways to link these together.

22
The Benefits
  • Reliable performance
  • Faster response
  • Greater functionality (N8KMY would now be able to
    reliably converse keyboard-to-keyboard with
    AB8CB, or even WB8TKL waaay downstate.)(some of
    the best networks look like a haywired mess at
    times well, sort-of)

23
How Can I Help?
  • Smile when you change the frequency of your
    packet transceiver.
  • Rejoice at the smaller number of retries.
  • Encourage more hams to explore the packet mode.

24
Final Thoughts
  • Packet networks are much like living entities
    that evolve and change.
  • As usage increases there may be another frequency
    move recommended.
  • Were all in this together, with a common goal,
    smile and be happy!
  • 73 de KF8KK (kf8kk_at_iook.org) 1/2006
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