Obedience:

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• Obedience
• A good quality?

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When I need your opinion Ill give it to youSam
Levenson

• Parents have the right to lead
• Authority figures, role models
• Respect for age
• When the child offers a suggestion, has to wait
  for parents to finish their talking.
• When Mama would say NO to something I wanted to
  do, I would use the argument that others were
  doing it, so why not me?

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• Corporal punishment does it work? It does not
  make us hate our parents, because we understand
  the dogma involved.
• Parental responsibility, of preventive therapy,
  of virtue being its own reward and evil bringing
  punishment.
• Do we enjoy this practice? World as tough
  requires tough parents and tough teachers

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• The fight against individual corruption was part
  of the fight against the environment.
• The moral standard of the home had to be higher
  than that of the street
• Is it worth a quick sharp pain to be reminded of
  our obligations? Author asserts it is. Better
  one stabbing moment of truth at home than
  stabbing in the street

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What does scripture say about Obedience?

• Honor your father and your mother, so that you
  may live long in the ladn the Lord your God is
  giving you. (Exodus 2012)
• Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for
  this is right. (Ephesians 61)
• Children, obey your parents in everything, for
  this pleases the Lord. (Colossians 320)

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• Everyone must submit himself to the governing
  authorities, for there is no authority except
  that which God has established. (Romans 131)
• Be devoted to one another in brotherly love.
  Honor one another above yourselves. (Romans1210)

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WOULD YOU OBEY HITLER?

• Jean Reinert

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St. Thomas Aquinas

• St. Thomas Aquinas considers the obligation of
  obedience as an obvious consequence of the
  subordination established in the world by natural
  and positive law.

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Do we obey too well?

• Stanley Milgrim experiment
• Drawing the line obedience v. disobedience

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• Even when I want to do right, I cannot.
• Romans 718
• ..but you will live, if by the help of Gods
  Spirit you say No to your desires.
• Romans 813
• Desire to obey.when is obedience wrong?
• Thou shall not kill

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Milgrim

• One teacher even claimed that the learner
  was so dumb he deserved to get shocked.
• obvious sense of an intense inner struggle

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Lets talk about this

• At what point should the line be drawn between
  morality and obedience?
• Should people who disagree with commonly accepted
  law or rules, be allowed to disobey because these
  things are against their beliefs?
• How far would you have gone with the shock
  treatment?

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More questions.

• What is your opinion about obeying parents?
  Authorities? (ex always, never, most times,
  sometimes, etc)
• What are some pros and cons of corporal
  punishments?
• What roles should adults take when relating to
  children?

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And some more questions

• Think about your adolescence. How did you view
  your parents? How was your obedience/disobedience
  to them?