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Title: MGA Renewable Electricity, Advanced Coal and Carbon Storage Advisory Group Transmission Subgroup Mee


1
MGA Renewable Electricity, Advanced Coal and
Carbon Storage Advisory GroupTransmission
Subgroup Meeting 1 Summary
  • June 12, 2008
  • Washington, DC

2
Participants and Observers Present
  • Mike Bull, Wind on the Wires
  • Mike McNalley, DTE Energy
  • Terry Grove, CAPX 2020 and Great River Energy
  • Clair Moeller, Midwest ISO
  • David Hadley, Midwest ISO
  • Kristine Schmidt, Xcel Energy
  • Natalie McIntire, American Wind Energy
    Association
  • Nathaniel Baer, Iowa Environmental Council
  • Geoff Matthews, Edison Mission
  • Larry Johnston, Southern MN Municipal Power
    Agency
  • Mike Stuart, Wisconsin Public Power, Inc.
  • Beth Soholt, Wind on the Wires
  • Julie Voeck, American Transmission Company
  • Kurt Simonsen, Manitoba Department of Energy,
    Science and Technology
  • Rob Gramlich, American Wind Energy Association
  • Tom Stanton, Michigan Public Service Commission
  • Staff
  • Wick Havens, Center for Climate Strategies
  • Mike Gregerson, Great Plains Institute

3
Introductions and Review of Agenda
  • Mike Gregerson of the Great Plains Institute
    welcome everyone and asked them to introduce
    themselves. Mike reviewed the meeting objectives
    and materials.
  • Brad Crabtree of Great Plains Institute provided
    a brief overview of the MGA Energy Security and
    Climate Stewardship Platform and Greenhouse Gas
    Accord and described the advisory group process
    for implementation of Summit outcomes.
  • Mike then introduced the resolution deliverables
    and invited meeting participants to begin
    discussing each one.

4
Transmission Resolution Deliverable 1
  • RESOLVED, that the scope of work for the working
    group shall include, but not be limited to,
    recommendations regarding the following
    deliverables
  • identified partners, methodology and timeline for
    conducting a state-by-state evaluation of
    expected new megawatts of wind power development
    through 2020, including interim megawatt targets,
    the need for that growth to meet
    state/provincial, Midwestern, and national RPS
    goals, and corresponding needed transmission
    infrastructure

5
Discussion of Deliverable 1
  • MISO has sent a data request to LSEs to get a
    better sense of how they are interpreting
    requirements for new generation
  • How much of which fuel type by when
  • Responses by next Thursday projects identified
    within a year
  • Only went to states with legislative mandates
    (MN, IA, WI and IL). Will look regionally from a
    siting standpoint to include the Dakotas.
    100,000 MW discussion scares some folks
  • Given national discussions, there is a view that
    the Midwest needs to produce a third of the
    national commitmentabout a 100,000 MW
  • Challenge of parochialism. Can we get beyond the
    approach of requiring the bulk of new wind
    generation to be located within a given
    jurisdiction? Uncertainty about this, both
    political and legal.
  • MISO is addressing this through
    scenarioslocal-local, local-regional and
    regional-regional. Participants expressed support
    for this approach.
  • MB hydro additions 200 by 2012, 640 by 2017-18,
    1260 by 2021, in addition to 1,000 MW of wind by
    2017-2018
  • Modeling challenge The Joint Coordinated System
    Plan (JCSP) will help address the seams issues
    for modeling beyond the MISO footprint to
    determine impacts on transmission

6
Defining Deliverable 1
  • Need to define the output
  • Start with specifying the number of MWhrs, then
    overlay that with state-specific requirements and
    siting constraints (e.g. how much must be within
    a particular jurisdiction)
  • Identify the gap between jurisdictional
    obligations and the MGA goal.
  • Need to query the LSEs because their responses
    will provide information on what they plan to
    spend money on with regards to generation and
    transmission
  • Important to include LSEs outside MISO but within
    MGA footprint and request needs to come from
    governors/premier to CEOs. LSEs are reluctant to
    provide information, so approach through
    governors will help.
  • There are ways to scale things to reduce
    sensitivities about proving information. It will
    be important to be very clear about the use of
    the data.
  • MGA, unlike governors offices and PUC/PSCs, is
    not subject to data practices requirements, which
    will also help.
  • Agreed action work through MGA steering
    committee of governors and premiers staff to
    survey load serving entities (LSEs) in MGA
    jurisdictions beyond MN, IA, WI and IL, which has
    already received a survey from Midwest ISO.
    Establish a subcommittee of this group to prepare
    survey instrument for Steering Committee review.
  • Step 1 survey for inventory deliverable
  • Step 2 include in the survey necessary data to
    expand the scope of Midwest Transmission
    Expansion Plan (MTEP) 09 to include the MGA
    footprint (MTEP 09 is national, and the MGA
    portion will be a regional look that accomplishes
    deliverable one in the resolution and part of
    deliverable 3)
  • Clair, Beth, Tom, Natalie, Julie? volunteered to
    work with Mike Gregerson on review of the MISO
    survey and finalize something
  • Mike to set up a conference call
  • Group review of survey instrument following conf
    call
  • Presentation of final survey instrument to
    governors/premiers staff on July 22nd

7
Discussion of Transmission Studies
  • Annual publication of MISO transmission expansion
    plan
  • Appendix A projects expected to go under
    construction within 4 years
  • More exploratory investigations
  • MTEP 06 looked at implications of RES
    requirements on system
  • MTEP 08 will be the first to look at future
    scenarios (four scenarios reference future/BAU,
    environmental w/25 ton CO2, wind at 20 percent
    in MISO, limited gas. Incorporates overlay plans
    such as high voltage overlay)
  • MTEP 09 will include changed definitions for the
    future scenarios, one being the JCSP that looks
    at implications of DOE 20 percent plan in MISO.
    Another is a limited transmission investment
    future (assumes only short term investments due
    to uncertainty).
  • Discussion of ancillary services and their costs.
    Agreement that as wind penetration levels
    increase, the costs of those ancillary services
    increase. However, there are a number of
    solutions to address this, and the grid will not
    be managed at these higher levels in the same way
    that it is managed today. Also, a robust
    transmission system at regional scale facilitates
    the ability to manage volatility/variability more
    effectively at less cost.
  • Regional Generation Outlet StudyRGOS (MN, IA,
    WI, IL). Purpose identify a minimum point that
    we build to system-wide, regardless of the
    operative scenario. Also, an attempt to model
    the geographic dispersion of these systems to
    provide some sense of the cost of siting
    constraints. Helps get beyond the queue problem
    by identifying major likely areas of
    developmentrenewable energy zones--where
    transmission can built in a build it and they
    will come approach.
  • Will MISO have the political support to name
    these renewable energy zones despite lacking
    legal authority?
  • Should mesh with studies underway in CAPEX 2020
  • Results for stakeholder review in April 2009,
    finalization in fall of 09
  • If other jurisdictions make RES/REO commitments,
    an additional study could be done for them.

8
CAPX 2020 Discussion
  • 2016 Study Effort focused on this timeframe
    because of MN REO commitments and need to meet
    them
  • Can take renewable zone identification by MISO to
    the project level.
  • 2025 Vision Study Minnesota 2025 goal shifts the
    focus more to MISO level studies
  • As gaps in jurisdictional policy region-wide are
    filled with RES/REO commitments, CAPX-like
    efforts or MISO RGOS will be necessary in other
    parts of the region

9
DOE Study
  • Conducted by NREL using WIND model
  • 300 GW nationally, with distribution weighted
    toward Midwest and less for Southeast
  • Worked with AEP on 765kv grid overlay to
    accomplish the plan
  • Accompanied by costs and benefits analysis
  • Challenge for building and sustaining support for
    extra high voltage transmissionmust extend
    beyond one governors term
  • Build-out needs to be region-wide to ensure
    effectiveness and to justify investment

10
Other Studies
  • Need more background on the MI transmission study
    from Tom.
  • Action Tom to share study with Mike Gregerson.

11
Near-Term 2015 Target
  • Concern raised about losing sight of 2015, as we
    look at 2020.
  • Discussion that the MGA has established a 2015
    target as well and that the 2020 evaluation could
    and ought to assess degree to which we have or do
    not have a 2015 gap between jurisdictional policy
    commitments and the regional MGA target of 10
    percent.
  • Agreement Evaluation for resolution deliverable
    1 needs to correspond with each MGA target,
    beginning in 2015 (i.e. what is actually expected
    for MW development relative to the target and any
    gap and what is needed in terms of the
    transmission build-out).

12
MB Hydro Discussion
  • Grand bargain potential partnership with
    Manitoba Hydro and wind. Hydro access in return
    for load-following to help enable the large
    expansions of wind contemplated under the MGA
    targets
  • DC capacity would be important in such a scenario
    for stability due to challenges of moving large
    amounts of energy between generation and load

13
Concluding Thursday Discussion
  • You can plan forever, but you have to start
    building stuff. Also, some of the smaller things
    need to be in place to do the bigger things. In
    other words, lower voltage transmission build-out
    at the subregional level is needed to meet
    earlier 2015 MGA target. However, this more
    robust subregional system at lower voltage is
    also necessary to have a reliable foundation for
    eventual deployment of a 500-765 kW high voltage
    capacity to move larger amounts of renewables
    from west to east between MISO subregions and,
    eventually, between MISO and regions to the east
    and southeast.
  • Governors do not necessarily understand
    transmission issues at this level, and we have a
    teachable moment.
  • We will have to build new infrastructure that
    will cost a lot of money (not just because of
    wind, but for a lot of reasons). The planning
    will help identify where we most efficiently
    build that infrastructure to minimize that
    expenditure. Higher level discussion and
    political will is important, and the
    governors/premier can play an important role
    here.
  • Agreement - Early direction that governors can
    get behind and build on
  • Regionalize CAPX experience beyond Minnesota,
    Dakotas and SE Wisconsin by applying model to
    other subregions within MISO and
  • Extend the Regional Geographic Outlet Study
    approach beyond the four participating
    jurisdictions (currently MN, IA, WI and IL)

14
Deliverable 4 Cost Allocation and Recovery
  • 4. key elements and next steps for developing a
    transmission cost share and cost recovery
    mechanism for the build-out of resource
    transmission. (These efforts should take a fresh
    look at cost-sharing methodologies, identifying
    beneficiaries in a broad sense
    sellers/developers, buyers/loads as well as jobs
    and tax beneficiaries and the burdens borne by
    different states, in order to develop an
    equitable cost allocation mechanism. In addition,
    these efforts should ensure any major expansion
    plan permits equitable participating in the
    ownership of improvements by each states
    utilities/transmission companies, so that the
    load serving needs of each state are properly
    accounted for.)

15
Cost Allocation and Recovery Discussion
  • Midwest ISO tariff began in 1998. A license
    plate tariff was set up in the absence of
    agreement over cost allocation. Lost revenue was
    recaptured through captive network customers.
  • Decision to revisit in six years with hint that
    there might be a move to postage stamp approach.
    Subsequent discussions failed to reach agreement.
  • Current cost sharing for reliability projects is
    20 percent postage stamp, with 80 percent
    premised on a power flow model. Four MISO
    members have indicated that they may withdraw as
    a result.
  • Big problem of whose investment, when some firms
    have to share costs and pass them on to their
    customers but their shareholders do not get a
    return on their investment. Joint ownership of
    assets in this case would help. Barriers are
    primarily political.
  • The tariff is voluntary, so there is an effective
    no-losers test. The threat of opt-out is real.
    Concerns on the part of some members have
    increased as discussions have expanded from 345
    kV to 765 kV and potential costs have increased.
  • FERC has limited jurisdiction, and the states are
    responsible here. Benefits of keeping firms in
    the ISO are large for building out the
    transmission system. Governors can help through
    this advisory group process.

16
Cost Allocation Discussion Continued
  • Challenge that some ways to meet
    governors/premiers targets might preclude system
    choices for meeting national targets. You need to
    site and permit 345 kV 8x to get to 765 kV
    equivalent.
  • Need ability to take longer view of
    benefitslonger than Regional Expansion Criteria
    Benefits allows.
  • Issue that needs to be explored can a state
    commission take into consideration the question
    of public interest beyond their borders? Some
    are precluded by statute from doing this.
  • Questions about feasibility came up and question
    as to whether it is not just easier to negotiate
    the really big projects across jurisdictions.
    Proposal to circumscribe more narrowly the
    criteria for projects that would me the regional
    benefits test.
  • At minimum, where jurisdictional impediments to
    regional benefits consideration, we ought to
    change that.
  • Agreed Action Develop agreed model legislation
    that would expand commission authorities, where
    necessary, to enable them to consider public
    benefits at regional scale.
  • Next step survey jurisdictional authorities.
    Nathaniel, Tom and Beth will help GPI staff to
    craft an info request of commissions.
  • Subsequent step draft model legislation for
    steering committee review based survey results
    and subgroup discussion
  • Agreed Action try to secure cost sharing
    agreement at subregional level first (e.g. MN,
    WI, IA), where greater commonality of need and
    circumstances exist. This could then be expanded
    to other subregions.
  • Feasible and helpful for meeting jurisdictional
    policy requirements, but does not get us to the
    inter-RTO 765 kV capacity expansion (e.g. moving
    large amounts of wind from Midwest to New
    England).
  • Joint ownership needs to be part of such a
    package at the subregional level (CAPX model).
    This may not be an option in some jurisdictions
    like MI with ITC.
  • Questions to consider What does eastern portion
    of the region look like? Who is the champion?

17
Cost Allocation Discussion
  • Agreed Action Framework or architecture of
    subgroups final recommended work product should
    tie together deliverables 1, 3 and 4 into single
    package recommendation to the governors and
    premier.
  • 1) Evaluation of new generation and transmission
    needed to accommodate that new generation 2) the
    regional transmission plan focused on required
    high-voltage interstate network additions to
    accomplish that transmission and 3) proposed
    cost recovery mechanism/ownership structure to
    facilitate financing it.
  • This generation is not just wind, but the whole
    suite of new generation resources and
    technologies needed to meet the MGA energy and
    climate targets. There is tremendous value in a
    robust transmission system to have the capacity
    and flexibility to deploy generation and manage
    cost-effective integration to meet the MGA goals.

18
Draft Letter to FERC Re MISO Transmission Queue
Reform
  • Subgroup participants and observers reviewed,
    edited and agreed on a draft letter to the U.S.
    Federal Energy Regulatory Commission for
    consideration by governors and premiers.
  • The letter is included separately from this
    meeting summary.

19
Scheduling and Adjournment
  • Transmission subgroup members agreed to have a
    group conference call on Tue, July 8th from
    10-noon Eastern/9-11 Central.
  • Subgroup members also agreed to have an in-person
    transmission breakout discussion on Wed, July
    30th in Dearborn, MI (Detroit airport). The
    breakout session will be part of the day-long MGA
    Renewable Electricity, Advanced Coal and Carbon
    Capture Advisory Group meeting, and the breakout
    will be held in the afternoon.
  • The meeting was adjourned.
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