Title: UNCONFIRMED REPORT OF THE SECOND MEETING OF THE TMB AD HOC GROUP STANDARDS AS DATABASES
1UNCONFIRMED REPORT OF THE SECOND MEETING OF THE
TMB AD HOC GROUP STANDARDS AS DATABASES
- 18-19 September 2006, Geneva, ISO Central
Secretariat
2DRAFT AGENDA Document Reference
1 Opening of the meeting 2 Introduction of the
participants 3 Review of the mandate of the
group 4 Adoption of the agenda 4.1 Overview of
the issues on the agenda Towards a Database of
Concepts 4.2 Issues raised during the
discussions STD_DBs N12 (Rev. 2) STD_DBs
N13 STD_DBs N14 (Rev. 1) 5 Development procedure
and use of the harmonized stage code
system STD_DBs N15 STD_DBs N16 STD_DBs
N17 STD_DBs TF 1 N01 STD_DBs TF 1 N02 STD_DBs TF
1 N03
3DRAFT AGENDA Document Reference
6 Functional requirements for a database to
manage concepts STD_DBs N18 7 Data model for a
database to manage "concepts" (Proposal) STD_DBs
N19 8 Uniform Resource Name (URN) scheme to
identify concepts STD_DBs N20 9 Discussion of
aspects of possible business models STD_DBs
N21 10 Practical steps towards an implementation
of a concept database 11 Conclusions 12 Planning
of the next steps and assignment of tasks 13 Any
other business
4TCs Attending
- ISO/IEC JTC 1 (Information technology )
- ISO/TC 10/SC 10 (Technical product documentation,
Process plant
documentation and tpd-symbols) - ISO/TC 29 (Small tools)
- ISO/TC 37 (Terminology and other language and
content resources) - ISO/TC 145 (Graphical symbols)
- ISO/TC 172/SC 1 (Document management
applications, Quality) - ISO/TC 184/SC 4 (Industrial automation systems
and integration,
Industrial data) - ISO/TC 199 (Safety of machinery)
- ISO/TC 215 (Health informatics)
- AFNOR (France)
- BSI (United Kingdom)
- JISC (Japan)
- ISO Central Secretariat
- IEC Central Office
5Issues for ad hoc Group from TMB
- Broad mandate to review all issues related to
this new development in the maintenance and
development to standards, starting from
procedural, technical aspects and even involving
issues related to business models - Multiple initiatives by TCs to develop their own
databases had led to inconsistencies which could
be avoided if ISO would be able to provide a
common, but flexible framework for such
developments - Repetitive and partially conflicting definitions
of terms arising from lack of visibility of
existing terminology had been developed - there
was a need for closer integration between the
activities of different committees and a need to
increase visibility. - Standards as databases had posed new challenges
in the national adoption of standards - The right of ISO members to exploit standards and
database content in various forms needed also to
be considered in the light of the increased use
of databases
6Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
1. Objective of the procedure for standards as
databases 1.1 Is the procedure intended a) as a
maintenance procedure for standardized content
which has been developed initially in the
traditional way through the regular standards
development process or b) is it also intended to
be applied for projects aiming at the development
of new standards? Results of the meeting It was
agreed that the process could be applied to the
maintenance of existing standards stored in
databases and for new developments.
7Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
2. Possible deficiencies in the IEC procedure 2.1
In some contributions (AFNOR, ISO/TC 172) it was
pointed out that the IEC procedure did not
foresee a generic withdrawal option. Results of
the meeting It was decided to reconvene Task
Force 1 "Process and procedure" to review -
amongst other issues - the aspects of
revision/withdrawal. 2.2 Some contributions
pointed out that the time frames in the IEC
procedure were considered to be "excessive"
(ISO/TC 184/SC 4), others considered them as
"appropriate" (ISO/TC 172). Results of the
meeting It was agreed that the time periods in
the procedure should be seen as limit times,
which could be reduced by TCs/SCs in consultation
with their P-members as required. The IEC limit
dates will be reviewed to ensure that they are
suitable in the ISO environment. 2.3 It was
noted that the procedure foresaw that
supplementary procedural information,
requirements or criteria that apply to particular
standards database(s) could be described in
separate document(s) within the domain of the
responsible technical committee or subcommittee
(ISO/TC 145). Results of the meeting It was
agreed that individual TCs/SCs may apply
supplementary procedures as long as they were
consistent with the generic procedure.
8Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
3. Relationship between the current ISO
procedures and the database procedure 3.1 What is
the relationship between the current operational
procedures in ISO, e.g. in the form of
maintenance agencies (MAs), registration
authorities (RAs) and the database procedure
(AFNOR, ISO/TC 184/SC 4)? 3.2 Some contributions
point out that the procedure should be applied by
MAs or RAs (AFNOR, ISO/TC 29, ISO/TC 145) others
state that the procedure could replace MAs and
RAs since their activity could be undertaken by a
committee (the P-members or a subset of them)
itself or that a taken. Results of the meeting
The database procedures may be operated by ISO
committees or Maintenance Agencies (MAs), and the
use of the procedure may evolve to supersede the
need for MAs. Registration authorities fulfill a
different function, since they merely operate a
registration service, and do not have delegated
responsibility like MAs for the content of a
standard. Systematic reviews (SRs) on databases
will be initiated on the usual cycle,
irrespective of change in the database. The
function of SRs is to review the complete
standard, whereas changes through the
maintenance/validation process may not address a
standard as a whole.
9Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
3. Relationship between the current ISO
procedures and the database procedure 3.3 Some
contributions referred to the role of the ISO
Central Secretariat and its function as the
organizer of DIS and FDIS-ballots. Will this
function be affected? (ISO/TC 184/SC 4, ISO/TC
199, AFNOR). Results of the meeting As a
principle, the functions of ISO/CS would remain
unchanged, but there was no thorough discussion
of this topic. 3.4 Will the Systematic Review
procedure as well as the publication of
Amendments and Corrigenda be replaced by the more
frequent maintenance of standardized content kept
in databases? (ISO/TC 61, ISO/TC 184/SC
4) Results of the meeting See results as stated
to items 3.1 and 3.2. The database procedures may
be operated by ISO committees or Maintenance
Agencies (MAs), and the use of the procedure may
evolve to supersede the need for MAs.
Registration authorities fulfill a different
function, since they merely operate a
registration service, and do not have delegated
responsibility like MAs for the content of a
standard. Systematic reviews (SRs) on databases
will be initiated on the usual cycle,
irrespective of change in the database. The
function of SRs is to review the complete
standard, whereas changes through the
maintenance/validation process may not address a
standard as a whole.
10Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
4. Initiation of the procedure and the role of
the Proposer 4.1 One contribution suggested that
the right to propose a modification to the
database (a change request) should be open to in
principle everybody and not be based on a special
authorization. Following the submission the
proposal would then be reviewed and decided upon
by a validation team (VT)) (ISO/TC 29). Results
of the meeting Change requests may be submitted
from any authorized source, with the
possibility of incorporating in the procedure a
review by a committee, MA or Validation Team,
which may then result in support for a change
requests coming from another source.
11Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
5. Validation and Maintenance Teams and their
composition 5.1 Some contributions (e.g. ISO/TC
184/SC 4) suggested that there should be more
than one Validation Team (VT) or Maintenance
Agency (MA) for a standard since the maintenance
required different types of expertise and that a
role should be foreseen for internal liaisons
(with other committees) as well as external (A-)
liaison organizations as key stakeholders and key
resources. ISO/TC 172, however, pointed out that
liaisons do not have the right to vote, but only
the right to submit comments. Results of the
meeting Multiple teams may be established under
a VT, with representation nominated from
P-members and A-liaison organizations, with a
minimum of 5 P-members represented, and one vote
per country. A-liaison organizations would be
able to comment, but not to vote. Whether or not
a single or multiple VTs would be established is
for a committee to decide (possibly on a
case-by-case basis) in the light of the
complexity of the work and the expertise required.
12Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
5. Validation and Maintenance Teams and their
composition 5.2 In relation to the possibility
of multiple VTs, it was explained out that there
would be a need for a higher-level responsible
body with the function to arbitrate and decide
between possibly conflicting positions adopted by
different VTs on the same or related issues
(ISO/TC 172). Results of the meeting It seemed
that there was no such need considering that the
VTs would be operating under one committee and
that the committee was responsible to resolve
conflicts between different VTs should they
occur. 5.3 The question was raised as to whether
VTs should be composed of all P-members in a
committee or possibly only a subset similar to
the rule of 5 P-members participating actively as
a requirement for the initiation of a new project
(AFNOR). Results of the meeting See result of
meeting related to 5.1. Results of the meeting
Multiple teams may be established under a VT,
with representation nominated from P-members and
A-liaison organizations, with a minimum of 5
P-members represented, and one vote per country.
A-liaison organizations would be able to comment,
but not to vote. Whether or not a single or
multiple VTs would be established is for a
committee to decide (possibly on a case-by-case
basis) in the light of the complexity of the work
and the expertise required.
13Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
5. Validation and Maintenance Teams and their
composition 5.4 It was agreed that there needed
to be clear responsibilities for the
development/maintenance of the content of the
database. Some contribution suggested that these
responsibilities should be defined and
implemented on the basis of commonly agreed rules
and defined (business) roles to ensure
transparency of the operations (ISO/TC
172). Results of the meeting Agreed in principle.
14Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
6. Content and structure of the database(s) 6.1
Should the database contain the items of one
standard only or should it cover content from
multiple standards (AFNOR, ISO/TC 29)? Results of
the meeting Databases may be compiled from
multiple standards if required, noting the need
for configuration management for reference
purposes to a standard as of a certain date. 6.2
Should the database be centralized or should it
be federated and each "segment" of the database
maintained by different responsible groups (e.g.
by a TC or SC or coordination teams of TCs or
SCs), although being perceived by the end user as
a single entity (chair of ISO/TC 37)? Results of
the meeting Federated management shall be
possible, but at the same time the integration of
federated databases for end users shall also be
achieved.
15Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
6. Content and structure of the database(s) 6.3
Should the linguistic content of the database be
multilingual (beyond the official ISO languages)
with national equivalents added by responsible
national standards bodies or alliances of them in
case they share a native language (chair of
ISO/TC 37)? Results of the meeting Databases do
not always have linguistic content. However,
where this is the case multilinguality shall be
supported (at least in the official ISO
languages).
16Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
7. Existence of standards as documents versus
standards as databases and reference to standards
in databases 7.1 If standards exist as databases,
should they also exist as (paper and/or
electronic) documents (ISO/TC 199, ISO/TC
61)? Results of the meeting This will be a
market-driven choice by the TCs/SCs - electronic
or paper forms may be produced in collaboration
with the ISO Central Secretariat. 7.2 Standards
in the form of documents have a publication date
and an edition number. How should one refer to a
standard if its content changes frequently? Does
each modification of an individual item result in
a new edition of the whole standard (ISO/TC 199,
ISO/TC 184/SC 4, ISO/TC 172, ISO/TC 61)? Results
of the meeting References to databases will need
to accommodate version control at the individual
item and the whole standard level. Outstanding
issue on how to normatively reference databases -
maybe need release versions.
17Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
8. Standards as databases and the different
deliverables of ISO (and IEC) 8.1 How should the
procedure be applied for International
Deliverables other than International Standards,
in particular the Technical Specification (TS)
and the Publicly Available Specification (PAS)
(ISO/TC 184/SC 4)? Results of the meeting The
extended procedure can be applied for the
de3evlopment of TS and PAS in the normal ISO
process. 8.2 Some contributions suggested that by
default these deliverables should be developed
using the normal database procedure (ISO/TC
172). Results of the meeting This depends on
whether the development is a new project or the
maintenance of an existing TS/PAS (same principle
applies as for the development of standards).
18Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
9. How do we transform existing standards into
databases? Do we need some procedures? Results of
the meeting There may be various details to be
considered. Additionally, it also hinges on the
availability of a development environment
provided by ISO/CS. From a procedural point of
view a database is just another rendition of the
standardized content since the conversion of this
content from a document-based rendition to a
database does not involve changes to the content.
19Issues raised during the discussions (Document
STD_DBs N14 (Rev.1)
10. Which domains lend themselves to the DB
approach? Results of the meeting In addition to
the fields of terminology and graphical symbols,
other areas such as codes, data dictionaries,
product properties etc. are candidates for this
approach, i.e. to all standards which are
composed - completely or partially - of
individual structured content ("collection of
items"). There was therefore no limitation to
specific subject domains.
11. Address normative versus informative elements
of standards and the impact on related
standards Results of the meeting There was
agreement that informative elements should also
be included in a database. It was noted that
further review of this issue was needed.
205. Development procedure and use of the
harmonized stage code system
- IEC introduced the database procedure in a
bottom-up approach with the following
characteristics - Initial objective of the procedure to address the
needs to maintain an existing standard (IEC
61360). - Designed originally as a maintenance procedure.
- Afterwards extended to provide also the option -
in principle to develop new standards. - Application of the procedure requires in each
instance approval by the IEC Standardization
Management Board (SMB). - IEC operates a mixed business model for access to
standards in databases. - Set of basic terminology of electrotechnology,
the IEC Electrotechnical Vocabulary (IEV), is
only accessible through subscription services. - IEC provides terms and definitions from
standards, which do not appear in the IEV,
publicly without any charge from its website (the
"IEC glossary").
215. Development procedure and use of the
harmonized stage code system
- Basic objective of standards as databases -
review which items are already available,
including identifying conflicts between items in
the database in order to find commonly agreed
solutions (inside and between committees). - ISO/CS is working towards a concept database
comprising terminology from ISO standards with
the following main objectives - Make it possible to identify which terms and
definitions already existed (including possible
inconsistencies and contradictions) - Support a structured development process in ISO
committees, incl. balloting of items at certain
instances of the process in accordance with the
ISO/IEC Directives - Speed up the development and maintenance of the
respective standards.
225. Development procedure and use of the
harmonized stage code system Discussion on the
procedure and the stage codes
- Agreement was reached on the following issues
- Procedure applies to the maintenance of existing
standards, but also the development of new
standards from the beginning. - Procedure supports three procedural routes
- Route 1 Editorial changes
- Route 2 Normal database procedure (similar to
the operations of the maintenance process and
handled by a maintenance and validation team) - Route 3 Extended database procedure (following
the full development process, but with the
database as the source container of standardized
content) - The development of new standards shall always
follow the full process, i.e. the extended
database procedure, and be conducted on the basis
of the regular approval processes in ISO, i.e.
starting with the New Work Item Proposal etc. - In the instance of additions/changes to the
content of a database, a case-by-case decision
needs to be taken as to the application of the
normal or the extended procedure.
236. Functional requirements for a database to
manage concepts
- The functional requirements as described in
document N18 prepared by ISO/CS. - Approach to terminology had been extended to
cover all classes of concepts, including
graphical symbols. - Some level of information may be publicly
available free of charge, but it was proposed
that an additional level of information, as well
as items still under development, would be
restricted to subscribers or otherwise defined
individuals performing certain roles under a
permissions structure managed by the ISO Global
Directory. - Any permission model would need to support
multiple levels of information hierarchy, such as
the individual item, sets of items (a work
package), a project set (all the items belonging
to one project, if not covered within a single
work package) as well as additional levels of
hierarchies. - Intend to provide a development environment for
all committees working on the development of
concepts, with support for a structured process
as well as to facilitate stronger consistency
between the work of different committees as well
as inside committees at early stages of the
development process.
246. Functional requirements for a database to
manage concepts
- Prototype of a concept database developed, with
filters on ICS and TCs/SCs. Individual terms link
to originating ICS and committees with links to
related terms. - Plan to combine this feature with the graphical
symbol database to generate an ISO concepts
database showing the definition, illustrations,
links and multilingual terms. - Prototyping phase, using the platform Artesia,
which offers a broad range of management tools,
access control, file renditions features and
XML-based integration services which will support
authoring tools. Inputs from the committees are
sought to refine the current design. - Agreement that a permissions structure would be
needed to control changes to the database which
would reflect business roles and support the
process reviewed and discussed earlier. - Multiple classification schemes should be able to
be supported
256. Functional requirements for a database to
manage concepts
- JTC 1-questioned whether there would be any
process for rationalizing conflicting
definitions. The JTC 1-vocabulary project had
revealed significant duplication even within
standards of JTC 1 which were planned to be
reviewed in the coming months. - TC 184/SC 4-representative noted that the Open
Technical Dictionary (OTD) implementation by
ECCMA (ISO/TS 22745) offered the possibility to
search for ISO terms and definitions and could
therefore also assist in identifying conflicts
across ISO standards, and links to the underlying
standards. He stated that it was already
populated with ISO, IEC and other definitions and
underlined the need that such repositories be
regularly updated with the latest ISO
definitions. He offered to provide input from
this development activity to ISO/CS.
267. Data model for a database to manage "concepts"
(Proposal)
- Proposal developed on the basis of experiences of
ISO/TC 37 in managing terminology has been
extended from terminology to also include in
principle graphical symbols and other types of
concepts. - Foresees support for multilinguality, including
federated maintenance of content in other
languages by authorized bodies as well as the use
of multiple representations (e.g. through terms
as well as graphical symbols) to represent the
same concept. - For each concept, the model includes one or more
Locale representations giving the definition
and additional metadata in the respective
language, each of which may have one or more
representations, which can also be common across
different locales. - Current draft needs to be aligned with the
refinements to meet the proposed ISO procedures
and stage codes specifications as well as aspects
of the business model. - Representatives from ISO/TC 145 explained that
some additional information needed to be stored
to accommodate specifics of graphical symbols. It
was therefore decided that there needed to be
further discussion in order to accommodate such
content within the data model.
278. Uniform Resource Name (URN) scheme to identify
concepts
- Convene Task Force 2 "Identification issues" and
to review existing schemes for the unique
identification of items residing in databases
(e.g. doc. STD_DBs N20 with the URN scheme
developed by ISO/CS) to develop, if required,
extensions to such schemes for the management of
items in databases to review needs related to
the referencing of items and the need to support
references over time and changes which had
occurred in databases (change/configuration
management). - Participants
- Joseph Coté (ISO/IEC JTC 1)
- Christian Galinski (ISO/TC 37)
- Chris Kreiler (ISO/TC 184/SC 4)
- David Leal (ISO/TC 184/SC 4)
- Melvin Reynolds (ISO/TC 215)
- Reinhard Weissinger (ISO/CS - Convenor)
- Additional participant(s) from ISO/CS (to be
announced)
289. Discussion of aspects of possible business
models
- Mr. Nicolas Fleury, Director, Marketing and Sales
at the ISO Central Secretariat, reported that the
mission of ISO has two aspects, i.e. to ensure - the widest possible dissemination and use of ISO
standards and - the financing of the ISO system.
- One-third of the budget of the ISO Central
Secretariat comes from sale of standards.
Similarly, more and more ISO members are
depending to a large extent on the revenue from
the sale of ISO Standards and/or the national
adoptions thereof. - ISO standards are seen by its customers to be of
high quality and resulting from an authoritative
source. - In 2006, the ISO Council re-affirmed the
principle of no free availability of ISO
standards when adopting the new edition of the
ISO's commercial policy, called ISO POCOSA 2005.
Any exception to this principle has to be agreed
by the ISO Council on a case-by-case basis.
299. Discussion of aspects of possible business
models
- Experience in ISO with market trials using JTC 1
standards as an example had shown that sales of
standards are not subject to price elasticity. - Even decreases of 80 on the original price had
not resulted in an increase of the number of
copies purchased, i.e. users who need a standard
seem obviously willing to pay for them. - In the last years a significant increase in the
number of customers buying standards had been
noted. - Experience gained until now with databases is
through the sales of annual subscriptions to the
ISO and IEC Graphical Symbols database. - Considerations to sell individual items from a
database for a reasonable price. - Indeed, customers often only needed one symbol
instead of the whole content of a database. A
crucial point is to understand the needs of end
users and to provide them with the corresponding
granularity in the offering. - Some groups of companies contributing significant
financial input to the development of standards,
often request that the resulting standards be
made available free of charge. - Smaller companies in their supply chain were
unwilling to face the financial burden of having
to pay for a standard. - If standards would only be available against
payment, companies would turn to SDOs or other
platform like consortia which would give the
standards away free of charge. - Important and timely for ISO to review its
business model and to adapt it in the light of
these developments in the market.
309. Discussion of aspects of possible business
models
- In response to these comments it was underlined,
that ISO was seen as a recognized brand and mark
of quality for authoritative and trusted
information, and that this provided an added
value for the companies. - Suggested to allow free access to the digital
versions of standards and coded content, which
would only be computer-interpretable. Digital
representation of standards as databases should
be made freely available. - Publication of standards as databases is seen as
an opportunity to improve the delivery mechanism
and to make the content of standards more widely
known. - Certain subsets of data from a standard should be
made freely accessible (in the form of "teasers")
to allow a user a well-grounded decision as to
whether they wanted to buy the whole. - Principle could also be applied to certain types
of standards, e.g. certain terminology standards
could be made available for free, which could
possibly have a stimulating effect for the sales
of other standards. - Other examples were graphical symbols in
thumbnail presentation, which could not be used
in technical drawings and other applications, but
would allow users to determine which content
existed and to assist them in their decision to
buy certain content.
319. Discussion of aspects of possible business
models
- ISO/CS reported that consideration is now also
being given to pricing in relation to market
needs and structures and not only to the number
of pages as the principle for the determination
of the price. The Commercial Policy Steering
Group (CPSG) has already conducted discussions on
how to apply such an approach. - ISO's unique selling proposition was to provide a
platform for the dissemination of high quality
coded content in the form of flexible sets of
items, including individual items. Only ISO had
the authority to develop and to maintain a
platform for the development and the maintenance
of coded content. - Another suggestion was made that ISO consider
providing value-adding web-services for
standardized content and that standards as
databases provided a great opportunity for such
an approach. - Through links to other standardized content,
standards as databases could also serve as a tool
which would allow users to discover information
and new content which they had not been aware of
before. - Other options could be a one-time free access to
a database after which payment would be required.
329. Discussion of aspects of possible business
models
- Other participants agreed that if sufficient
material, however defined, was available free of
charge it could encourage sales of more valuable
information services and complete standards. - IEC noted that some of the IEC databases were
available free of charge, covering such areas as
terminology or dictionaries promoted in
competition with other freely available
standards. - Other databases were only accessible via
subscription services, including updates to the
content. - Suggested that a reasonable approach to making
certain content freely available would pre-empt
competing products from consortia, and could help
to serve the public service obligations of
standards bodies. - Agreed that ISO/CS will consider the different
options for making available certain components
from standards or types of standards taking into
account the overall ISO business model with a
view to providing a framework for the marketing
of added-value paid services and standards.
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